I guess my point is..........we can debate how the DNR should do things all we want but in the back of our minds as we argue with each other about it...............do you really think you can change the opposition's mind and do you really think doing nothing but talk about these things on the internet is going to have an effect?
I haven't seen it yet and don't think I will.

That about sums it up. Most who debate the various topics really don't have a specific plan, they just want to make changes for whatever their perceived benefit is. It can be a good source of entertainment though. Maybe if a bunch of you got together and put together a decent management plan, you could at least present it to the NRC. But I doubt that will ever happen since it would need to be at least as detailed as the deer management plan from the DNR now. Just saying "we want bigger bucks and we think a one buck rule will accomplish it" means nothing and is not a plan.

 

Just watch what direction this thread takes, even though my intention is only to state that I am just bored with 90% of what the most popular threads are. I have a feeling this could end up in the 90% and I apologize if it becomes that.

 

Just watch what direction this thread takes, even though my intention is only to state that I am just bored with 90% of what the most popular threads are. I have a feeling this could end up in the 90% and I apologize if it becomes that.

As far as talking in circles and not accomplishing anything, yup, that got old before the season started, lol.

 

One of the big reason's I enjoy Dan Infalt's site. Lots of info on deer hunting and a lot less arguing.

This time of year, I spend a lot more time on the fishing forums when Im here. Still some bad attitudes and arguing though.

 

One of the big reason's I enjoy Dan Infalt's site. Lots of info on deer hunting .

Ya I tend to pop in there every now and then. Dan is a great inspiration for those who love hunting swamps.

 

BTW, Jeff makes the same great posts over there too!

 

Ok, so now I see a big dilemma. Are we going to argue about whether argueing actually changes other's opinions, or are we supposed to argue about what your motivation is for posting this?

Since I can't decide, I guess I'll just blame the DNR apologists, The DNR haters, MUCC, any QDMA branches, QDM wanna be's, Anti-QDMr's, Pro-baiters, Anti-baiters, and any sportspeople that don't agree with my general philosophies just for good measure. Did I miss anybody?

So which "problem" is it going to be today?:lol:

I pretty much feel the same way as you which is why I don't spend much time on the deer hunting forum anymore.

 

I can think of 5-6 really good hunters that were driven away from this site for that reason. Its a shame really. Huntingbeast for me also.

 

Some members have their hands bound as far as posting ANYTHING habitat or hunting related is concerned.:sad:

 

It would be kinda boring if everyone agreed on everything.

 

So glad Big bro lifted the block on my computer... I agree BNB gets boring. Thank god for the fishing forum it was a relief.
But now that fishing is over, time to hang out at the old places Huntingbeast, hutningnet, Archerytalk...etc

 

Ok, so now I see a big dilemma. Are we going to argue about whether argueing actually changes other's opinions, or are we supposed to argue about what your motivation is for posting this?

Since I can't decide, I guess I'll just blame the DNR apologists, The DNR haters, MUCC, any QDMA branches, QDM wanna be's, Anti-QDMr's, Pro-baiters, Anti-baiters, and any sportspeople that don't agree with my general philosophies just for good measure. Did I miss anybody?

So which "problem" is it going to be today?:lol:

I pretty much feel the same way as you which is why I don't spend much time on the deer hunting forum anymore.

My motivation is I am dissapointed that all the most visited threads are nothing more but pointless arguments. If you haven't noticed I haven't been involving myself in them as much as I used too. I see no reason to. I could give a bunch of reasons to do this or that but in the end it is nothing more than an opinion on the net.

It would be kinda boring if everyone agreed on everything.

Regulation wise it would never happen. Let me ask though. What are you getting out of the regulation threads? Did you learn how to hunt?
Did you become a better hunter? Did it lead to a better regulation change or a regulation change you do not agree with?
Honestly how many times can we reference the "stats". Have you ever seen any dramatic changes in the stats over the past 5 to 10 years? I haven't.

Michigan has its issues with its regulations from my point of view but I don't need them to be changed to enjoy some great hunting.

Ok I'm done, onto other things.

 

Bucksnbows,

If you start getting near the sore subject of "learning how to hunt" some get folks pretty touchy.

What would you like to discuss, as far as new hunting aspects you're interested in, that doesn't go into a sub-catagory?

 

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Like the only call girl on fort bragg.

 

You're right BNB, it does get pretty boring. I think it might be getting better though, it took 14 posts before someone sent a shot across the bow.

KPC

 

I think it might be getting better though, it took 14 posts before someone sent a shot across the bow.

KPC

You have an odd obsession with PF.

 

You have an odd obsession with PF.

Not so much an obsession with PF, I just abhor condescending attitudes.

KPC

 

Not so much an obsession with PF, I just abhor condescending attitudes.

KPC

So you fight it by having a condescending attitude?

 

So you fight it by having a condescending attitude?

Really?

I don't recall ever suggesting that anyone was a poor hunter, stupid, didn't pay enough income taxes to have a say in deer management, etc.

I guess if you perceive my pointing out a condescending attitude as being condescending, that is your prerogative. By all means, you are entitled to that opinion.

KPC

 

Not so much an obsession with PF, I just abhor condescending attitudes.

KPC

Agree KPC.

I will read through some of those threads on a rainy day like today, other than that I gave it up and just check out the habitat and trail cam photos.

 

Shot across the bow??

I'm open to discussing all types of aspects of deer hunting. But if I do, I may get called an elitist. KPC, you may be called an elitist too, because you use a bow.

 

It's sad when all you see in here are topics about everything BUT how to actually hunt deer.....guess everyone already knows everything about it and has nothing left to learn.

 

Yawn .....

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There used to be allot of guys that posted good, useable info here. I used to spend hours 2 finger typing trying to answer questions and post tips and techniques. Not anymore. Ain't worth it.

I'm writing 2 " How To " articles as we speak for Steve, but, once that's done, that's it.

I don't like constant debate and by what I'm reading of late, either do alot of other members.
The snide remarks and insults have really taken it's toll here, and M-S has, and still is, paying the price for it.

Something like a classy get together amongst friends with the public invited.
It will eventually turn into a free for all.
By the time the trouble makers are bagged and tagged it's too late, the damage has been done and guys have either left, won't respond to a post, or, worse yet, add their earned knowledge by starting a post for fear of getting called on the carpet and made to look the fool.
I don't blame'em either.
Who needs that ?

The Mods do a good job and the best that they can, I know. But this place is huge, and with the sheer number of people, it's a daunting task.

I've been promoting M-S at every show I attend trying to get some of these more high profile Michigan guys to become members and post.

What I'm getting is:
" Ohhhhhhhh, I'm a member alright, but in no way am I going to say a peep and paint a bullseye on my back. If I could contribute and be shown the respect I've earned, maybe. BUT, there are just too many overzealous spin masters that would try to ruin or debate any input I might add.
OR, I haven't the time nor the desire to be on the constant defensive."

OR, the most common response ?
" When those Michigan guys can learn to be civil to one another and not engaged in an ugly never ending debate and the constant in fighting gets under control, get back to me.
I'd love to support something as well intentioned as M-S but, I'm not going to subject myself, or the image I've worked hard to create to that sort of thing. "

This last comment came from a very well known Land Management individual I talked with in Minn. just this last week-end.

These guys are in constant demand at hunting shows all around the country and you never see them being treated badly or disrespected there.

If that happened, well, lol, lets just say you wouldn't get a refund for your admission. Promotors pay the high dime for these guys with a zero tolerance for trouble makers, as well they should.

I'll keep trying, but it's not looking good.

 

Great post Tom.


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