Just a little discussion starter/poll to see what others think.
Will the state ever open the firearms restrictions and allow good ol' fashioned calibers like .30-30 for deer hunting in the southern half?
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MIDNR really didn't have a choice. The legislation passed unanimously in House and Senate. Governor signed since it was unanimous. Politically it went to NRC in 2014 for 3 year trial and finalized in 2017 as permanent rule. The only thing NRC did was to request removal of "pistol" so it was easier for enforcement. Easy agreement. MIDNR absolutely hated this rule regardless of all the positive results it generated.
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Well you know more about this than I do but I think the decision was a good one. Not a fan of the muzzleloader season turning into an extended center-fire rifle season tho.
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One state that I have known for years that allows centerfire rifles to be used is Virginia....but in certain Counties you must ONLY hunt from a raised platform and in many there is a height minimum height....
Now look at all Virginia Game Laws in Michigan there are a few but in Virginia you need a Lawyer !even some your gun can only be loaded in a raised platform...
https://dwr.virginia.gov/wp-content/uploads/media/local-firearms-ordinances.pdf
Now look at all Virginia Game Laws in Michigan there are a few but in Virginia you need a Lawyer !even some your gun can only be loaded in a raised platform...
https://dwr.virginia.gov/wp-content/uploads/media/local-firearms-ordinances.pdf
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Der hunting picked up again in the Southern lower.
As a youth I could even hunt deer there!
Shotgun only was explained as limiting range , and energy at long range.
No not for the sake of sport. But for property's sake.
A large portion of my hunting in Zone 3 had a building or structure in sight. Or more clearly for argument of gear restrictions,
a structure in range .
I hopped the line more often as I moved farther North.
Heck I might have carried two guns at times.
I do recall opening a single case above the line and seeing a shotgun. (No problem.)
When someone asks why not this or that...I have to consider how far I can put a hole in something.
Big difference between my pet long range high-power and my short barreled. 357 rifle.
Bottlenecked what cartridge is my question to the o.p.
Most my bottlenecks? Heck no.
I'm near the top of zone 3 and it:'s about like threading a needle with a bullet to not have a building in the line of fire.
There is a house close on the left as close to my border as it could be per zoning. Not in site in this picture.
That's the second in a short time. The earlier is on left in picture.
Plus prior homes or structures in range...
Everyone has to be danged careful.
Now let's extend their reach in more congested areas? Go North and hint. And hope sprawl doesn't limit more cartridge choices there.
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Yes that's obviously why bottleneck cartridges are not legal in Z3. Hell, even in Z2 where I live, there are places that a high power rifle isn't safe to use. I just don't get why it's legal to use one for coyotes and varmints. Those houses and buildings don't just disappear after deer season is over. They are still targets for ground hog or coyote hunters.
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If anything I'm surprised the shotgun/rifle line has not moved north. I would be inclined to believe that it will in the future. As the central and northern communities grow in population, it's only a matter of time.
In actually OP is a mute point not much difference in trajectory between a 350 legend vs a 30-30 which he posts later in the thread. Which gives credence to why opt for additional cartridges to be used. Not sure it it's true anymore but it use to be many of those cartridges could be used in Southern Michigan just not for deer. So my take on it while those size cartridges are safe plinking at wood chucks in summer it's a whole different scenario as described by many hunting state land as a pumpkin patch with hunter orange as far as one can see.
Right now zone 2 and 1 offer huge tracks of state and national forest. As population increases it will be similar to islands of state land in zone 1 which are bombarded.
In actually OP is a mute point not much difference in trajectory between a 350 legend vs a 30-30 which he posts later in the thread. Which gives credence to why opt for additional cartridges to be used. Not sure it it's true anymore but it use to be many of those cartridges could be used in Southern Michigan just not for deer. So my take on it while those size cartridges are safe plinking at wood chucks in summer it's a whole different scenario as described by many hunting state land as a pumpkin patch with hunter orange as far as one can see.
Right now zone 2 and 1 offer huge tracks of state and national forest. As population increases it will be similar to islands of state land in zone 1 which are bombarded.
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But then bottlenecks vs syraightwall isn't a sure bet either way.
I suspect certain common straightwall pistol cartridges were seen within shotgun range spectrum alright.
But a custom pistol or certain builds can spit from a respectable cartridge. Leaving barrel length the next contention.
Perhaps intent on multiple levels is the challenge.
Buy common high-power or any rifle round used above 3 being legal would need the original reason for no rifles to be discarded.
I can say be safe.
Former neighbors kid was whizzing :.22 rounds through my yard and I yelled at him toknock it off.
They had a .38 ( not my call) bullet drop through their roof.
No not my slug.
Whoever would liberalize rounds in the limited zone would be at the mercy of all participants to not mess it up safety wise.
I'm not against my pet rifle.
Just not assured everyone using such everywhere wouldn't do something they shouldn't in their range of fire.
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Not really. The 400 legend and 450 BM have quite a range. Nothing would be safe in it's path of fire within 200 or so yards building wise. 30/30 Winchester isn't any worse.
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When I hunting in Virginia, back in the '80's we hunted Lunenburg and Prince Edwards counties. Luneburg was shotgun/muzzle loader only.
At that time the laws of what firearm could be used were passed at the county level. Lunenburg was VERY rural, the county had only one stop light. Prince Edwards, which adjoined Lunenburg was also very rural but there they had no restrictions on rifles. One did not have to be in an elevated stand to shoot a "bottleneck" caliber.
I'm next to a public hunt that is flanked with houses on the entire perimeter, and several homes are notched into the hunting zone 'rectangle'.
I'll never forget the first time, after buying in on the 350L, I ran the ballistic math and I truly realized, it's nothing like the 12g slug game & I may as well be using a 30-30! Talk about threading a needle!!!
No matter how much mental psychic energy I try to radiate, the deer love mailboxes and hate burms!!!😬
I'll never forget the first time, after buying in on the 350L, I ran the ballistic math and I truly realized, it's nothing like the 12g slug game & I may as well be using a 30-30! Talk about threading a needle!!!
No matter how much mental psychic energy I try to radiate, the deer love mailboxes and hate burms!!!😬
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