Perfectly good with that scenario. You can’t sit there to inspect the wounded deer to say if it’s going to die or not from that wound. Being an ethical hunter you put the wounded deer down, regardless of a dog assisting or not.

 

Too much time in the treestand without seeing any deer - I pushed a deer for over 7 miles over two days that had a broken leg in 15 inches of snow. It took 2 days to catch up to it to finish it off. Your scenerio is not going to happen.

 

You’ve used “tracking dogs and house dogs with some success” but your caricature of an ignorant crossbow hunter with a 4 mile track scenario indicates a law change is needed?

Some people specialize in solutions in search of problems. Law is fine as is no need to soothe the anxieties of the hand wringers

 

You’ve used “tracking dogs and house dogs with some success” but your caricature of an ignorant crossbow hunter with a 4 mile track scenario indicates a law change is needed?

Some people specialize in solutions in search of problems. Law is fine as is no need to soothe the anxieties of the hand wringers

Agreed, more of a slam on a crossbow hunter.

 

I’m fine with it, he finished the job that he started. Me personally, its a huge responsibility when you pull that trigger, you better be ready to make it right.
Flight

 

I am not sure, but, I would think if a deer has gone 4 miles you may be pushing it too hard.

 

The dog must be kept on a leash and is limited to walking speed. The hunters have to keep stopping to get permission to enter different properties to keep tracking. Do you really think that the wounded deer is exhausted from that? If it was really just a flesh wound as you said would they ever catch up to it? I doubt it. These tracking dogs that you are talking about are not allowed to just run free like the hounds in those southern states.

 

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What parameters would you put in place? Set an overall tracking distance limit? Based on where you think you might've hit the deer? I think it would just boil down to in favor or against the use of tracking dogs. I like the law as it currently stands. Bad shots happen to the most experienced shooters during archery and the overall use of dogs saves a lot of deer from being wasted every year.

 

You don’t have to sell it to us. Go pitch your idea to the NRC. Good luck!

 

A+ thread all the way

I love the back hand to elevated shacks, crossbows, food plots...you should have mentioned he used his cell cam to see the deer in the plot before he drove his e-bike to the shack to shoot it...

 

So you're saying you should only be able to use a tracking dog if you know the deer is dead? Or if the hunter does know about kinetic energy? I'm confused.

 

Someone tags out legally but you don't like it? Guess you don't like the law then.

Hunter arrows deer.
Knoweth not where.
Two choices Mr, puckerbutt who has used dogs to track his own deer , (did you suck that bad tracking without enough blood for you?)
First choice is to treat wounded deer as legal prey.
Second choice is to declare a deer that eludes your sucky tracking skills as now illegal to pursue by anyone else or any other means.. Bet you'd be a riot during the disabled hunt. But but but.

In my youth pursuit of wounded game was an obligation until proof determines unrecoverable game.
Yes a property owner can deny access. That's not why you are a puckerbutt.

Three major red flags in your Karenesque post.
First is crossbow. Bait pile is second. Shoulder shot (as if deliberate) is third.

Glad you're not hunting near me!

Two dogs went nuts around my site and then joined me.
Running free and hollering at any and nearly all scent the one hit.
I wanted the heavy linked chain collar off the one but when I lured it to the truck to get a snack to close the deal I only had chocolate or peanuts. Neither suitable for dogs.
Metal staining several inches wide atop hair. I hadn't inspected it's skin yet.
So what? So many violations it ain't funny.
I didn't stop at the suspected owners house.

Rest assured the neighboring property I have tracking permission on to pursue wounded game has the same permission from me. Regardless of where they may or may not have hit a deer.
As I told the first to ask , it's an obligation to pursue.
Why would I care if a tracking dog was used?
If a dog handler wears glasses should they be prohibited? And if the deer was suspected of being gutshot should the handler have to follow barefoot?

 

Good luck getting permission for 4 miles.

 

If you own land, you know which property owners allow this and which do not. We do for more than 4 miles.

 

I'm ok with it. Never know how a shot reacts on a target. Hits a rib arrow deflects up/down/back /forward. So If any of us come up on blood are not going to do what we can to find it ? With the dog deal , I believe that a long leash keeps the dog from "running" deer. And the ones I've seen these dogs are short legged dogs. Also a flesh wound is not going to be pinned down to often.

 

and not to mention the coyote possibility

 

We track during bow season with my wife's dogs, Border Collies, they arrent blood hounds by any means but usually get the job done. We are not registered so we cant carry a weapon when we track. We always track on leash.

 

Ha, I’ll play. How many bucks should you be allowed to shoot until you actually tag 2? Shot made and deer not recovered. Continue shooting bucks until tags are hung? Not recovered could be for a whole host of reasons. Gut shot, single lung, liver, permission not granted to track/recover, so on and so forth. Legally, I could shoot unlimited bucks until I actually tag 2. Ethically, I wouldn’t, but I could. I shot a tank this year, 5yr old with history and pics. Crashed on by buddies, neighbors property. Neighbor said, No. His right. I told him where it was and he claimed it. I burned that tag on a doe. I’m just pokin the bear here.

 

Your responsibility doesn’t start when you pull the trigger; it starts when you buy your license.

 

It starts when you decide to hunt, LONG before you buy a license.

 

Take this how you will. A DNR officer told a group of us "turkey seminar" that if an animal crossed onto property and they don't give permission to let them know. They will check to to see if the property owner has claimed/tagged the animal for themselves. Also to find a solution between the two.

 

DNR can knock on my door till their knuckles wear out, I aint answering

 

in the uk we cant shoot any thing with a bow,just with a 243 rifle,shoot its dead no need th track it,

 

Ive heard that elsewhere, why cant you bowhunt, also just more reason to leave the UK

 

Some of my favorite stories are at the expense of crossbow shooters. I won’t even call them hunters. Crossbow shooters.

That said, I enjoyed your post.

 

Crossbow hunters can be funny but they don’t begin to compare to the guys who have put compound bow company stickers on their vehicle windows. That’s a special level of pathetic right there - screams emotional neediness and insecurity.

 

It's too bad Paul Harvey is gone, I want to know "the rest of the story"

 

In all of this I don't understand what specific rule changes anyone thinks are needed.

 

If I read it right he'd make illegal all, Crossbows. Bait. Shoulder shots. Dogs. Dog handlers.
That's all.

 

Absolutely OK with your scenario. Exemplary job by the hypothetical hunter.

Your hated of both the younger generation (posts on the internet) and crossbows is clearly what's really at issue. Change your scenario just a bit - deer jumps the string, buck fever jitters, nicked an unseen branch, etc and you still have a wounded deer because the shot didn't go where you placed it. The ethical and responsible thing to do is to track until you cannot find anymore blood and then call your buddies and last ditch, call a tracking dog.

If you think that guys are being careless because they're thinking "I can just call in a dog," you're higher than giraffe 🐈. Tracking dogs are not a free service, dude.

As I reread your post, it actually reads like one of those guys that thinks putting in effort to track "just a deer" is weird (I met a guy at public land this year that had that opinion - he couldn't fathom that somebody would go to such efforts for just a deer).

I haven't read through the replies yet, but I'm thinking you're going to get dragged.

To take the hypothetical out of it, I got my first buck in 2021, Lt Dan, after having pulled my shot left due to bad buck fever. I blood tracked that deer the entire next day through swamps, woods, train tracks, etc. Eventually, I tracked him to death. When I caught up to him after about 8 hours on his trail, painstakingly picking up tiny drops of blood at times (not thinking he was alive), I found him very much alive and waiting for my finishing shot because he could go no further. I had shot out both of his front legs, at the knee. That's all that I hit. I'm more proud of that deer than any other deer I've gotten since my first because even though the shot was terrible, the effort was impeccable.

 

Nice job tracking down Lt. Dan! I love that you named him (and yes I got the Forest Gump reference).

 

My take away here is the crossbow shooter needed to be using one of the 500fps crossbows to make sure they made it thru the shoulder

 

20$ says this guy lost a deer he wanted to a crossbow hunter now he's pissed the guy got it ! What we should outlaw is people intentionally messing with peoples stuff just because they don't like what the person does if said person is a hunter he should be fined and lose hunting privileges for 5 years )~!

 

Maybe you should follow the rules on the books and stop intentionally leaving your illegal "stuff" in the woods.

 

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