[Bobby072]

Compared to my 45/70 contender carbine the 450 BM is a pussycat. Not sure why folks feel the need to put the noise maker on the end.

Me either but thought I must be missing something. Saw one at a dealer and I asked if I can take that off and put a cap on it.

I get the reply of "you want a muzzle break or it kicks real hard". And then I read one review where the guy said it kicked so hard with break on that he was afraid to shoot it without a brake. So I had a hard time finding anyone with the guts to shoot it with the brake off. I think you are the first.

I dunno its like they have people brainwashed into thinking they need a muzzle brake on every gun. Now if they swapped that brake out for a suppressor I would leave that on.

 

[DecoySlayer]

Now if they swapped that brake out for a suppressor I would leave that on.

More people would put suppressors on if the feds were not mucking things up with that $200 stamp. If that silly tax was gone the price on suppressors would go down because of increased production.

 

[flinchjerk]

More people would put suppressors on if the feds were not mucking things up with that $200 stamp. If that silly tax was gone the price on suppressors would go down because of increased production.

The repuglicans could have fixed that with the hearing protection act, yet it just sits there in committee, while we keep voting against a candidate instead of voting for a candidate for President and such. Just goes to show an oligarch is an oligarch is an oligarch despite the R or D label.

 

[junkman]

I think that because it comes with a break people believe that it needs a break. Otherwise why would it have one.Personally I think it is more of a cool factor as far as looks go.

 

[DecoySlayer]

When your shoulder is damaged, lots of things hurt. If putting on a break, helps, and I can avoid compounding the damage and avoid surgery, it's OK by me.

 

[Groundsize]

If your referring to Eddie fosnaugh, he has done work for me in the past and would be an excellent choice for a rifle builder

yes I am.......

 

[Groundsize]

When your shoulder is damaged, lots of things hurt. If putting on a break, helps, and I can avoid compounding the damage and avoid surgery, it's OK by me.

I get what your saying but it looks like you are a serious waterfowl hunter and shooting a 12 gauge all day long with duck loads is a lot worse than this gun. This thing is nothing at all. Shoots like a 20 and no wear compares to a duck gun. If worried about anything should be your hearing with the worthless break. What interesting is no one building customs 450s has a break put on it.

 

[DecoySlayer]

I get what your saying but it looks like you are a serious waterfowl hunter and shooting a 12 gauge all day long with duck loads is a lot worse than this gun. This thing is nothing at all. Shoots like a 20 and no wear compares to a duck gun. If worried about anything should be your hearing with the worthless break. What interesting is no one building customs 450s has a break put on it.

Well, I shoot a 20GA most of the time for waterfowl. It's a semi-auto that is a lot softer than my Super Black Eagle was.

I also now have a Berretta A400 with is also MUCH softer than anything else I owned, and almost as soft as the 20GA is.

I wear hearing protection all the time, even when hunting.

Lots of custom builders have breaks as an option.

My .450, on the AR platform is WAY softer than my single shot 12GA slug gun was. It's semi-auto and has a break.

 

[Groundsize]

Well, I shoot a 20GA most of the time for waterfowl. It's a semi-auto that is a lot softer than my Super Black Eagle was.

I also now have a Berretta A400 with is also MUCH softer than anything else I owned, and almost as soft as the 20GA is.

I wear hearing protection all the time, even when hunting.

Lots of custom builders have breaks as an option.

My .450, on the AR platform is WAY softer than my single shot 12GA slug gun was. It's semi-auto and has a break.

All AR platforms will be softer than any bolt gun yes. I agree with wearing hearing protection while duck hunting and have ruined mine because of being muzzle blasted several times. I almost lost getting hired into my job because of it. What 20 are you using then. I have a black eagle and I like it. Seems to get jammed sometimes when shooting 3.5s at ducks and geese. Not sure why.

 

[DecoySlayer]

I have a Weatherby SA-08 20GA.

I wear hearing protection when deer hunting as well.

The Beretta A400 I have is really nice. I like it better than my Black Eagle. I once had two Black Eagles, sold them both, and a few other guns when I "recycled" everything to get the A400, the Weatherby and the Bushmaster upper.

I don't ever shoot 3.5 for ducks anymore and only sometimes at geese. I find that most of the time there is no need for them. The 20GA is more than enough for ducks on most days.

 

[Groundsize]

I have a Weatherby SA-08 20GA.

I wear hearing protection when deer hunting as well.

The Beretta A400 I have is really nice. I like it better than my Black Eagle. I once had two Black Eagles, sold them both, and a few other guns when I "recycled" everything to get the A400, the Weatherby and the Bushmaster upper.

I don't ever shoot 3.5 for ducks anymore and only sometimes at geese. I find that most of the time there is no need for them. The 20GA is more than enough for ducks on most days.

Shoot the new Barnes all copper 170 gr 450s for a well reduced recoil. Heck a way better bullet anyways that the horrible SST

 

[Bobby072]

More people would put suppressors on if the feds were not mucking things up with that $200 stamp. If that silly tax was gone the price on suppressors would go down because of increased production.

Agree, suppressors should be the standard. Easy on the ears for sure. And they are way overpriced and a pain in the butt to get with all the paperwork, wait for 6 months.

 

[DecoySlayer]

One of the biggest reasons they are over priced is the "tax" imposed by the feds. IF that silliness was gone more people would put them on. Then you see more, and larger, companies producing them.

 

[junkman]

I think that when people see that muzzle break.They assume the recoil is so bad that they need the break. Otherwise it will rip their shoulder off.Just for comparison look at some of the loads we shoot from our muzzleloaders.

 

[NonTypicalCPA]

I bought one of the first guns as well two falls ago. No break. I kept hearing how low recoil this gun was, so I was a bit surprised the first time to the range. Still less than a 12 ga slug, but not by much. Last fall I put a break on and also a Boyd’s stock. Much, much less recoil. Probably a combination of both items. It’s now definitely my favorite deer gun!

 

[DecoySlayer]

I think that when people see that muzzle break.They assume the recoil is so bad that they need the break. Otherwise it will rip their shoulder off.Just for comparison look at some of the loads we shoot from our muzzleloaders.

I cut back my load in my muzzleloader.

 

[junkman]

I cut back my load in my muzzleloader.

Even though you did there are still a lot of guys that think a muzzleloader needs 150gr of powder and a 500gr bullet because the manufacturer says that is the maximum load.

 

[DecoySlayer]

Even though you did there are still a lot of guys that think a muzzleloader needs 150gr of powder and a 500gr bullet because the manufacturer says that is the maximum load.

There are a lot of guys who do a lot of things, to each his own.

My shoulder could handle more when I was younger than it can now. I really had only two options, miss more do to flinching an do more damage, or cut down on the recoil, hit more and do less damage. Pretty simple choice.

 

[junkman]

There are a lot of guys who do a lot of things, to each his own.

My shoulder could handle more when I was younger than it can now. I really had only two options, miss more do to flinching an do more damage, or cut down on the recoil, hit more and do less damage. Pretty simple choice.

Decoy that's all good.I'm not talking about you.

 

[DecoySlayer]

Decoy that's all good.I'm not talking about you.

I know that! I was sorta putting that out there to "warn" younger dudes about what they may be in for ifin they don't start backing off now, just a little. The damage "accumulates" over the years.

For all you "macho men" who don't believe a .450, without a break, is "too loud", it is.