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#21 ·
Cat Power said:
The OP asked about recoil, I gave my opinion. I'm no "expert" like some of the other posters.

Let him buy whatever he wants. doesn't really matter to me that much
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The .357MAX is a good choice if used within it's limits. Right now, there are not as many options, in the same price points in a .357MAX as there are in the .450 Bushmaster.

There is no doubt that the .357MAX is easier on the shoulder, and quieter, although one should still always use hearing protection when shooting them.

Will there ever be a wider range of products in that caliber? I don't know.
 
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Cat Power said:
Seems this topic comes up regularly here. I honestly don't understand the 450 craze. I shoot a 357 Maximum and have very little recoil, very little report, and tips deer over.
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The craze over the 450 bushmaster is very simple. The southern half of Michigan was shotgun zone only. NO 30-30, 30-07 etc no center fires. Only shotguns.

Recently they got around this by using a straight walled cartridge in 450 bushmaster. So for the first time in 50+ years you can use a center-fire other than a shotgun to hunt deer in Michigan, Ohio and other states.

So its mostly for people in those areas. Then you get trickle down people that just buy one because all of a sudden they are popular and just buy one to be part of the 450 bushmaster wave.

In general conversation I've not heard many people recommend the .357 and I see far more 450 BM on shelves than .357. Maybe the 450 just got pushed and marketed better.
Or maybe people see the .357 as having too little knock down power. Not sure.
 
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I looked at some 450 BM off the shelf guns. I think out of the box the new Savage 110 Wolverine is the best. Or maybe the Ruger in walnut. The Savage is heavier 7.9 pounds and has a much better feel, trigger and recoil pad. The fit and finish is a grade or two up from the base Rugers. The magazines are easier to put in and hold 2 more rounds (5+1) barrel is 18" has a break but no included thread protector for those that don't want one.

Price around
Savage 110 $730.00 + tax
Ruger Walnut is around $950 + tax.
 
#25 ·
Bobby072 said:
The craze over the 450 bushmaster is very simple. The southern half of Michigan was shotgun zone only. NO 30-30, 30-07 etc no center fires. Only shotguns.

Recently they got around this by using a straight walled cartridge in 450 bushmaster. So for the first time in 50+ years you can use a center-fire other than a shotgun to hunt deer in Michigan, Ohio and other states.

So its mostly for people in those areas. Then you get trickle down people that just buy one because all of a sudden they are popular and just buy one to be part of the 450 bushmaster wave.

In general conversation I've not heard many people recommend the .357 and I see far more 450 BM on shelves than .357. Maybe the 450 just got pushed and marketed better.
Or maybe people see the .357 as having too little knock down power. Not sure.
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I guess I'm a trickle down guy.Not because it is what is popular now.I have been using a 45-70 for about 25 years.When the Ruger American was first introduced I wanted one but the calibers offered did not interest me.So I waited and kept checking and more calibers were being offered.I even wrote a letter and sent Email asking if the American would be offered in 45-70.The answer I got was always no.So when it was offered in 450BM I figured that was as close as I was going to get to a 45-70.
 
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DecoySlayer said:
Too bad the Wolverine does not come in a 20 or 22" model.
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Well its 2" longer than the 16" Ruger. I know that gun is accurate out past 200 yards. Its not that much of a compromise in velocity and I might put a suppressor on it so 18" might be the best option.

Here they compared the 20" to the 16" and the velocity did not change much.

FTX with a listed velocity of 2200 fps. (using a 20" barrel) for a muzzle energy of 2686 ft. lbs. To see how this load performed out of the shorter 16.12" barrel, 10 consecutive rounds were fired across a Lab Radar chronograph. The velocity average was 2184 fps. for a muzzle energy level of 2648 ft. lbs. That's just about a 1 percent drop in velocity with only a 38 ft. lb. loss of energy with a 3.88" shorter barrel. I see nothing to complain about here.
 
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I am sure it is accurate. I just find I have trouble with shorter barrels, likely because I am used to longer, more barrel heavy, rifles. Muscle memory and all that stuff.

My AR type is very accurate, but, it just does not feel right.
 
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I personally like the 16" barrel on my BM, even at 6'2". It a joy to carry that little gun around the woods. I bought one of the first guns as well and was a bit disappointed with the recoil. However last year I put a break on and replaced the stock with a Boyds and it's like a new gun - a lot less recoil.
 
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Discussion starter · #34 ·
DecoySlayer said:
If you really did order one I would LOVE to see it when it comes in. Owning one of those is on my bucket list.
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I built it online but did not pull the trigger "yet" I have an air rifle from england that looks sort of like that but with a nicer turkish walnet stock. I never heard of Shaw, would it not be better for resale to go with something with a bigger name like a cooper. I mean if you are going to spend 2k on a gun might be worth more later if its a bigger name.
 
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Bobby072 said:
I built it online but did not pull the trigger "yet" I have an air rifle from england that looks sort of like that but with a nicer turkish walnet stock. I never heard of Shaw, would it not be better for resale to go with something with a bigger name like a cooper. I mean if you are going to spend 2k on a gun might be worth more later if its a bigger name.
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Shaw makes a lot of barrels for Savage. You have likely seen them. They have been around for a very long time, over 100 years.
 
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Some people really aren't bothered by recoil. Some are. My 458lott I had back home I limited myself to about 10 shots with the 500gr solids doing roughly 2200fps.

My 416 rem I could shoot all day ( much heavier)

My 45/70 shooting a 400 GR cast 1600fps is fun. Only bigbore I brought here with me. I wish I could use it here.

My BM is nothing recoil wise. No noise maker on the end
 
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