Nice! Although that would be a pretty hard to do concealed carry. With 17 rounds of 10mm it will be substantial.

 

Yes. Weighs 42 oz fully loaded iirc. Like toting an all steel full size 1911. But for outdoor conceal carry where I want it mostly concealed but don’t really care too much if it prints and in a chest rig under my left arm or something like that it should be perfect. Much lighter than a fully loaded Glock 20.

 

Also I looked at a ria 10mm double stack 1911 but it weight 48oz unloaded!!

 

Hard to beat the "In hand" feel of a 1911. My G20 is a bulky pistol but takes the beating of the full 10mm loads very well. My Delta Elite sure got beat up by the hotter loads. Went thru numerous shots(recoil) buffers. No problems with my Glock. Under 2" groups at 50 yards of a bench. No complaints. Chest rig works well of a woods defense pistol also. Originally it was the 20C model but I have a BarSto non- compensated barrel on it currently. Didn't like the increased muzzle/brake blast and recoil is very controllable. Buddy just bought the Springfield XD 10mm for a Yellowstone vacation. After seeing all the bear troubles out there, he opted to purchase a specialty pistol for the trip

 

Sig has come out with a commander sized 10mm version of its P320. The interesting part is it has a compensator built into the slide. 17rd capacity. They’re marketing it as an outdoor gun.

weighs the same as a colt lightweight commander too. YouTube reviews are very positive on the comp reducing muzzle flip.

I have one on order at the lgs. Should be here Tuesday. Just sharing because we were just talking about bear handguns and I had no idea this existed.

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A little late eh ? Did you take one on your trip ?

 

I took my 45 and it didn’t leave the case after I talked to 3-4 guides and they said don’t bother with just a 45. Stepping my firepower up for when I return next year

 

Actually in retrospect most of the guides early on in the trip were on some save nature don’t shoot our bears bs and that’s why they were pushing just carrying bear spray so hard. The guys in Kelly Galloup’s shop were 10mm fans but still said leave the 45 at home. According to them it takes 4 minutes for an adult grizzly shot in the heart with a 45 to feel any effect. Idk. Probably bs but I’ll have a 10 on me next time.

Central nervous system is the kill switch. Brain/spine. Charging grizzly doesn't give much of a vital shot. (Frontal) Head shot would be the target. Glad to finally hear of the 10mm fan boy guides. Tide is finally turning.

Actually for bears breaking the front shoulder (either) stops them in their tracks. I shot a good sized black bear (I know not the same) in the shoulder once. He raised heck, kicking in the air and bellowing. But he didn't move from where he fell. So, it would probably be your best bet if worse comes to worse.

 

Only two of the eight black bears I've shot dropped to the shot. One took two more shots before he stopped moving.

 

I recently got a g20 MOS. Holoson 507 X2 on it. Thing has a been a great shooter so far - even out to 90+ yards.

 

Penetration is key. You want a bullet that is going to get through all that hide fat muscle and bone. You want a lot of power behind that bullet. Check out buffalo bore ammo hard cast bullets.
That's why that Alaska guide was able to take down a bear with a 9mm.

 

That particular bear was shot by Phil behind the shoulder in the vitals a few times while literally standing on his two clients in heavy brush. The bear couldn't find them and it didn't see the Phil. Probably why he was not targeted before or after the shot. Perfect storm really. Bear died fairly quickly after running off. If a bear has a clear view of you and your its target of attack, I would think a head/neck shot is the best option but of course frontal shots would be chest, head and or front shoulders. A bears momentum after a shoulder shot would more than likely leave him on top of you if he was close enough from the start. He would be very much alive and more dangerous after that shot I would think. Shut the bear off and he's harmless. Hardcast bullets for stopping one and bonded jacketed bullets for hunting one. Solids if the right weight can be found. Grizzly Skins of Alaska is who I booked my Bear hunt with and spoke to Phil in length about his encounter. He is literally an advocate of shooting what you shoot the very best and use hardcast bullets. He serves as a spokesman for the Buffalo bullet company after seeing the results of the bullets he used. The penetration was unbelievable he said. He completely sold me on this accuracy first concept on the biggest bears for defense. While most at that time laughed at anything less than a 44 big bore wheel gun, he laughs back. He still uses and carries his big wheel gun on occasion but still recommends you shoot the biggest gun you can shoot accurately for numerous shots on target. Most can't put two on a target with a fast moving target running straight at them. If they do, the two shots aren't good placed shots. Since his 9mm Bear kill, many have switched to the semi auto hardcast option. I prefer my 10mm.

 

You also need to be diligent on your memory drills.

 

Google bear attacks killed with handguns. There are quite a few recent articles regarding it. The number 1 reason guys were able to do it was prior training, specifically muscle memory training. Most of these events were fast and close, like 10 yards close. Paper shooting is one thing but you really need to rely on instinctive shooting and practice that.

 

Paper shooting is one thing but you really need to rely on instinctive shooting and practice that.

No, absolutely not . Instinctive shooting at what ? A static target as opposed to a moving target ? What kind of target are you going to practice your "..instinctive shooting " on other than a static target . The only way to train at a hostile and speedy incoming target is to shoot at a speedy incoming target. I've shot many I.D.P.A. presentations with a fast on the rails incoming target and to the shooter's advantage in these scenarios he/she has the target demonstrated beforehand, it starts moving only at the shooter's..." shooter ready..." and then the at Safety Officer's "standby". The shooter, of course has some sort of "easy draw" holster unencumbered by a jacket, backpack straps etc. From 15 to 20 yards ( discounting your 10 yard scenario) you'd be surprised how fast a moving target can get to you before your first shot and how in your face it is with your last shot - which on a charging grizzly would hardly be a quick killing shot . Hope this helps.

9mm Hi-Power

 

You should practice muscle memory skills if you are going to rely on bear spray as well, just having it isn't enough.

 

Get innovative if entering big bear country on a vacation like Yellowstone. We designed a sled that carried a pallet with a bear target charging the shooter. Shots weren't taken until the bear reached 10 yards and speed was 20 mph. Shoot this training target enough and you'll see how quickly you put your bullets on the target. Try it with a few different guns you think you would use. You'll never duplicate the real scenario with all the other elements thrown in but you'll have the muscle memory down.

 

There was a guy elk hunting in wy. A fee years back. That charged he took it down with a 10. I believe that bear was on top of him. He trained all year for a scenario like that.
Another guy hunting moose in AK a few years back used a 10 to kill a charging bear.
Quite a few guys didn't even get a chance to draw a weapon. **** happens fast be ready.

 

I carried a 12 ga in ak for many years when I lived there and several trips afterwards. They are major pain in the ass. I bought my g20 about 10 years ago. If I ever get rid of it my next gun will be a g29 sf

 

I have a G29. I prefer my G20. It's more accurate and the grip being longer keeps all my fingers on it. My next will be the G40 MOS. Wish Glock made a single stack 10mm. I've been a proponent of firepower but now feel 10 rounds would be more than sufficient for this kind of use. The grip would feel better and I believe give me better accuracy and still have the durability and dependability of a Glock pistol

 

I was just much better instinctive shooting with it. Seems I got on target much faster.

 

I put an RMR in my G20. It doesn't inhance my shooting or fast accuracy. It actually impairs it. I'll be removing it before I shoot moving targets again.

 

Try it in a mirror with an unloaded weapon. Draw and point. Look in the mirror and see where the muzzle is. You can also get a Lazer bore device. Perfect for point and shoot drills.

 

I like the laser idea…might pick one up

 

Somebody invented it.

 

Interesting. Not even close to our invention but somewhat similar in that the threat is coming directly at the shooter and around the same speed offering the same shot numbers depending on the weapon.

 

It's a good skill to learn

 

That guy is flipping amazing!!

 

With practice you can get 2-3 rounds on target before you even see a sight picture.

 

At 3-10 yards easily. After the 10 yards, that becomes much more difficult until you put many, many rounds thru the gun you shoot and do it frequently.

 

 

10,000 rounds a year! I’m not sure if I’ve shot that much in my whole life! Which probably explains why there’s no way I could shoot like that guy

 

You don't have to shoot like that guy. You can get on target shooting instinctively surprisingly rather quickly. Ever shoot a bow instinctively? Same exact principle.

 

Muscle memory drills really help

 

Free hand, I’m probably 6 inch GROUP at 40 yards guy. I always shoot off sticks when I’m deer hunting that brings me down to about 3 inch GROUP guy at 40 sometimes better sometimes not.

 

That is very impressive. Your the exception. For me to shoot that good, I must be shooting off a bench (not sticks) where two points of contact are made. Not just the barrel, trigger guard or forend supported. Out to 25 yards I can keep all my rounds inside 6" easily. At 40, 50% at best. With an RMR(red dot), I can shoot incredibly well. We train point and shoot (instinctive) often. It's actually fairly easy to hit your target using this method. If you install a laser site on your pistol and train with it for this style of shooting, you'll master the form perfectly much faster. You'll know where to hold the pistol and how to point it. It'll be a training tool more than something you'll need to actually use. Then remove the laser after you've mastered this instinctive shooting form. My wife learned how to point and shoot using a laser site on her G43X

 

I'm really looking forward to shooting a deer with my G20 this fall. Will be pretty slick out of the saddle I think.

 

Yeah that's on the list for me as well this year.
One thing I wonder though, and I think it might be true. Mag capacity? I think there's a max round capacity, do they make 5 round mags for the 20?

 

So it looks like they make a mag block

Magblock For Glock 20, 40 (10mm) 5/15 (Hunting)

5 round limiter for Glock 20 magazines. Convert 15 round Glock 10mm magazines to hold 5 rounds.

www.magazineblocks.com

 

yes ive been looking into that. I might still bring a rifle along ya know?

 

I'll just end up eaten. I'm 2.5 to 3.0 seconds for draw to first shot. I doubt I'd be quicker with bear spray.

 

You'll be more motivated than usual.

 

I'm really looking forward to shooting a deer with my G20 this fall. Will be pretty slick out of the saddle I think.

I'm really looking forward to shooting a deer with my G20 this fall. Will be pretty slick out of the saddle I think.

Good times!!

 

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