I would really like to know who heads up the consortium that comes up with our firearm regulations for Whitetail deer. With the implementation of the limited rifle area, formally zone 3 in Michigan, the powers that be state that you can use a rifle that fires a cartridge of .35 caliber or larger with a straight walled case with a minimum case length of 1.16” and a maximum of 1.8”.

Now, in that same limited rifle zone, you may also hunt with a handgun holding a maximum of 9 rounds in the chamber and magazine combined. Caliber must be straight walled and 35 or larger. There is no mention of maximum case length.

HOWEVER.....

I have a Thompson center contender with a Super 16 barrel chambered in 45/70. It meets all of the criteria for being legal to hunt Whitetail deer in Zone 3. There is no maximum length for a handgun barrel, only minimum lengths for rifles (16”) and shotguns (18”) Now, I also have a contender carbine which is the same gun with a rifle stock instead of a pistol grip. If I put my 16 inch 45/70 barrel on this firearm, it is a perfectly legal rifle in any state in the country as it meets the federal minimum of 16 inches for a rifle barrel. For some reason, the brain trust in Lansing deems it illegal for hunting Whitetail deer in the limited rifle zone because it exceeds the maximum case length of 1.8”. It’s perfectly legal with a pistol grip, but illegal with a rifle stock. Exactly the same cartridge and exactly the same barrel. Who writes this crap up?

Are you saying it should not be legal as a pistol?

 

No, what I’m saying is that we have a bunch of people writing legislation that don’t have a clue about firearms. There is absolutely no difference in the cartridge it’s just a pistol grip versus a rifle stock. The downrange potential energy is exactly the same. I can use a 444 Marlin, 38-55 Winchester, or a .405 Winchester if I was a real glutton for punishment in a handgun configuration, but add the rifle stock and its verboten. Why???

 

If you think deer regs are screwed up take a look at CCW rules..

It is like you need to be 5 mo pregnant, standing 3' deep in the river w/ the water running UPstream and then it may be ok if it is TUE or WED.

Express hour views to your legislators AND the NRC.. Make em answer your questions.

The "No hunting w/in 450' of occupied bldg" around here
sometimes, by certain deer cops, gets changed to "OCCUPIABLE" building. Hexx every bldg is occupiable or
it wouldnt be there.

 

You answered your own question. The pencil pushers are clueless. Hell, even most police that carry guns every day don't know jack schitt about them.
The state followed the rules of Indiana when adopting the limited rifle law. In other words, too lazy to write their own. Blame that mostly on the NRC that introduced it that way.

 

Let's not bring up the fact that we can predator hunt with a center fire rifle that is smaller than .269.

 

 

You are assuming someone in lansing wrote the regulations. Technically some had to sunmit the bill from Lansing....but someone representing hunters and hunters rights came up with the idea and put in a lot of legwork to get the politicians in lansing to agree and vote for this.

No matter what law is written for any subject matter you cannot cover every single scenario that might come up. It is hard enough to get that many law makers to agree on verbage in a bill. If you had to cover every little minute detailed scenario the law wouldnt get passed. I was pretty happy with the legislation as it was written. I have a feeling alot of gunshop owners and hunters were too.

 

Ya know guys, If you could put that stuff in a well Written proposal. Hunting issues are popular right now in the legislature

 

Someone's feeling large and in charge.

 

I would really like to know who heads up the consortium that comes up with our firearm regulations for Whitetail deer. With the implementation of the limited rifle area, formally zone 3 in Michigan, the powers that be state that you can use a rifle that fires a cartridge of .35 caliber or larger with a straight walled case with a minimum case length of 1.16” and a maximum of 1.8”.Zone three and the limited firearm zone are not the same.

Now, in that same limited rifle zone, you may also hunt with a handgun holding a maximum of 9 rounds in the chamber and magazine combined. Caliber must be straight walled and 35 or larger. There is no mention of maximum case length.
True.

HOWEVER.....

I have a Thompson center contender with a Super 16 barrel chambered in 45/70.
I'm not sure your pistol with that barrel length, is legal in the limited firearm zone.

It meets all of the criteria for being legal to hunt Whitetail deer in Zone 3. There is no maximum length for a handgun barrel, only minimum lengths for rifles (16”) and shotguns (18”) Now, I also have a contender carbine which is the same gun with a rifle stock instead of a pistol grip. If I put my 16 inch 45/70 barrel on this firearm, it is a perfectly legal rifle in any state in the country as it meets the federal minimum of 16 inches for a rifle barrel. For some reason, the brain trust in Lansing deems it illegal for hunting Whitetail deer in the limited rifle zone because it exceeds the maximum case length of 1.8”. It’s perfectly legal with a pistol grip, but illegal with a rifle stock. Exactly the same cartridge and exactly the same barrel. Who writes this crap up?

Just because someone doesn't like or understand a law doesn't make it a bad law.

 

Isn't his comment about the fact that the part of Zone 3 is in the rifle zone ?

L & O

 

What is wrong with the CPL law?

The fact that we have one at all. Too bad we don't have training requirements, and costs, for our other rights, like voting for example

 

Look at it this way, CPL/CCW laws are a state issue. Most states that have a reciprocity law require the person to have a CPL/CCW from their home state. Non-residents have no right to tell other states which laws they can have.

 

Yeah yeah yeah. The right to keep and bare arms means nothing. We need permission from corrupted fools to exercise freedom.

 

Wait, what? Did they recently pass legislation mandating long sleeves? Yet another freedom stripped away.

 

60% approval rule looks like it will be adopted. It should be used across the board even for the anti improvement super minority suggestions and politician involvement.

 

It will defeat the entire intended purpose of the surveys so they might as well just have done away with the surveys and forced their dictatorial rule down the throats of the 95+% of the hunters that never get a vote anyway.

 

Since the thread is based on Lansing.....
Did the 3 latest members appointed to the NRC get approved by all sides?

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