[Adam Peterson]

I'm intrigued why such a concern on weight? Weight helps a boat sit better in the water.

Is the world really at the point where a grown man can not pull in a 120lb boat by himself? For heavens sake you just need to be able to pick up the stern and drag the boat 5' onto the rack.

Lol


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[cupped-n-locked]

I'm intrigued why such a concern on weight? Weight helps a boat sit better in the water.

Is the world really at the point where a grown man can not pull in a 120lb boat by himself? For heavens sake you just need to be able to pick up the stern and drag the boat 5' onto the rack.

Couldn't agree more!!! Weight is a crucial part of a layout boats performance. I love all these pics you see of people layout hunting with the foot end of the layout boat sticking up out of the water. You can even see it on some of the manufacturers websites where they are promoting thier own boats!!!! If your boat is too light you either have to slide some weights down into the foot end of the cockpit or hang a weight from the bottom.

 

[WoW.]

Cant believe this thread isnt 5 pages long yet. Tony and my new friend Wow must be having poor internet conections. Where are the mlb guys? This is still way to civil.

I like my Classic. But, I will not hesitate to say that one of the reasons for the selection of my layout is/was the reputation of the man behind the company. Mark Rongers is out of the game.

So, that said...if I had to purchase another boat, I would bypass the quality of the east (I have dined in the Bankes boathouse), totally pass on the reputation to the south, and definitely look at what the west has to offer.

 

[Bellyup]

This is not pointed at anyone, and is intended to be non partisan.

If you want a kevlar boat that weighs 65 pounds it is your right. if someone will build it for you, go for it. Maybe someone who wants a boat that light compensates for that in body weight. Think of it that way. Don't judge by some internet post.

But, Kevlar costs $15.00 per yard. Fiberglass costs anywhere from $7 - $12 per yard. This is the cloth. So the cost savings from Fiberglass is not that great. It is a myth that kevlar costs so much. maybe they are confusing it with carbon fiber ? I don't know. The carbon fiber I buy to build racing crafts cost me $30 - $45 a yard. This is all in widths of 36" wide to 50" wide.

In my opinion only, and nobody can influence me as I have experience in this area, carbon is very strong. This makes it brittle and can snap. One needs to use both Carbon and Kevlar in building a strong boat. I use a combination of Fiberglass and Carbon, and Kevlar depending on what strength is needed at that particular joint or area of the boat.

One important factor one might want to research before making a decision on what boat to buy. Did they use Epoxy or Polyester Resins to build it. Or did they use Vinylester Resins ? Make sure it is epoxy, and preferably West System. There are others out there that perfrom well, but like someone else mentioned about the boats, you get what you pay for.

No, I don't build layout boats and I do not sell any I have made either. I just have a lot of experience in the world of composites engineering, designing, and building race boats.

 

[Branta]

boys, boys


the answer is so simple:






Your buddies layout is the best one outthere!
doesn't matter what brand it is!

best tender boat? buddies

best rig? your buddies

 

[TSS Caddis]

Couldn't agree more!!! Weight is a crucial part of a layout boats performance. I love all these pics you see of people layout hunting with the foot end of the layout boat sticking up out of the water. You can even see it on some of the manufacturers websites where they are promoting thier own boats!!!! If your boat is too light you either have to slide some weights down into the foot end of the cockpit or hang a weight from the bottom.

I've taken the approach of just gaining weight.

 

[cupped-n-locked]

I've taken the approach of just gaining weight.

That's funny!!!!

and about another post - I think Branta is on to something..........

 

[cupped-n-locked]

This is not pointed at anyone, and is intended to be non partisan.

If you want a kevlar boat that weighs 65 pounds it is your right. if someone will build it for you, go for it. Maybe someone who wants a boat that light compensates for that in body weight. Think of it that way. Don't judge by some internet post.

But, Kevlar costs $15.00 per yard. Fiberglass costs anywhere from $7 - $12 per yard. This is the cloth. So the cost savings from Fiberglass is not that great. It is a myth that kevlar costs so much. maybe they are confusing it with carbon fiber ? I don't know. The carbon fiber I buy to build racing crafts cost me $30 - $45 a yard. This is all in widths of 36" wide to 50" wide.

In my opinion only, and nobody can influence me as I have experience in this area, carbon is very strong. This makes it brittle and can snap. One needs to use both Carbon and Kevlar in building a strong boat. I use a combination of Fiberglass and Carbon, and Kevlar depending on what strength is needed at that particular joint or area of the boat.

One important factor one might want to research before making a decision on what boat to buy. Did they use Epoxy or Polyester Resins to build it. Or did they use Vinylester Resins ? Make sure it is epoxy, and preferably West System. There are others out there that perfrom well, but like someone else mentioned about the boats, you get what you pay for.

No, I don't build layout boats and I do not sell any I have made either. I just have a lot of experience in the world of composites engineering, designing, and building race boats.

What kind of boats do you build???? PM me if you want??

 

[fsamie1]

Is the world really at the point where a grown man can not pull in a 120lb boat by himself? For heavens sake you just need to be able to pick up the stern and drag the boat 5' onto the rack.

You have not seen a grown man with back pain. It does matter how big and strong you are if you have a chronic back problem. One wrong move and here it goes you back. People with back problem know that pushing is better for your back than pulling. I would rather to put two 20 lb weight in there rather than pulling 100 lbs into tender.
Just checked Mighty layout and difference in weight between fiberglass and kevlar is 10-15 lbs for $1200 more. Not worth it. I think I have a Mighty layout that I bought from a guy at Pointe Mouillee waterfowl tournament. We still have a hard time pulling it over 18 foot tender. This year I am using a 19 foot Lund with much higher sides.:yikes: I think I need much stronger buddies.:lol:

 

[T.J.]

Considering the current boats capacity is 2100lbs, no.

An extra 20 lbs might matter to TJ though.

That puts me pretty close.

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[WoW.]

Best layout is the dry one that your buddie left shells in during the switchout.:evil:

 

[tonyhomer]

Considering the current boats capacity is 2100lbs, no.

An extra 20 lbs might matter to TJ though.

The point is alot of boats cant take all that weight and we all see it all the time. I will run a 22ft starcraft v5 and can take anything I want with me and go anywhere anyone else can I am sure. But By the time I load 100 burlapped divers, long lines and anchors I bet there is 500lbs in decoys alone maybe more. Not lets put 4 guys in the boat at 200lbs ea and were up to 1300lbs real quick. Now the layout at for arguments sake lets call it 125 were now at 1425 and still not counting guns, boat anchors, ammo, and what ever else is onbard. so another 100lbs in misc weight. now were over 1500lbs and there isnt many boats out there rated for that kind of weight.

 

[tonyhomer]

Couldn't agree more!!! Weight is a crucial part of a layout boats performance. I love all these pics you see of people layout hunting with the foot end of the layout boat sticking up out of the water. You can even see it on some of the manufacturers websites where they are promoting thier own boats!!!! If your boat is too light you either have to slide some weights down into the foot end of the cockpit or hang a weight from the bottom.

This has nothing to do with the weight of the boat. It is all in the design and balance of the boat. and how its built and what its built for.

For example, Our UFO is designed for 200lbs of weight and the backrest is placed where to put the weight in the proper place to float the boat right if the hunter lays in it right. IF he sits up in it the nose may ride up depending on his weight but if he lays in it properly it will float properly.

Regardles of if the Layout weighs 60lbs or 200lbs it still has to be designed properly and have a weight that its designed for properly. We have never had to modify or rebuild our molds due to problems with how they float or ride the water. And that means alot to us knowing we do all our boat designs right the first time.

I find that whether Im in a Erie or a UFO it doesnt matter the ducks dont seem to care at all. And can kill just as many from a 1200.00 layout as I can from a more expensive one

8 years of building them and never a warranty repair or a design flaw and that stands for something in our book.

Have fun and hope everyone has a great season.


Much more important things for me to be doing.

 

[TSS Caddis]

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[DEDGOOSE]

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[tonyhomer]

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