[pollywog]

Does the strong winds affect the fishing on the sag river?Thinking about heading out saturday.

 

[scottyhoover]

It sure will affect you if you have a shappell shanty You might end up sailing....been there...not fun. Other than that I'd say no, other than less people will be out there. Anchor your fishtrap! I'm going to guage the wind at about 5am to decide if I'll be on the river or not.

 

[pollywog]

Thanks scottyhover,I'll be fishing the afternoon bite,if you want to meet up let me know.

 

[MSUICEMAN]

i'm gonna have to disagree with scotty on this one. Depending on the direction, winds can actually reverse flow in the river (happened a few times last year). I'm not a river rat, but this has got to affect the fishin. Other times it makes it downright unbearable on the river if the wind is in the same direction as the river is where you are fishing because it acts as a wind tunnel..... man it can really rip through there.

steve

 

[The Whale]

I really don't think you're going to reverse the flow of the Saginaw, Tittabawassee, Cass etc. They're ARE coming together and flowing the same direction they have been for a LONG, LONG time, wind or not. Surface water may be apparently reversed slightly, but not the main current flow. MHO.

 

[wild bill]

i am gonna have to with the whale on this one

 

[MSUICEMAN]

tell that to my leadhead jig that was all of a sudden going upriver..... anyways, i don't have to prove anything to anyone. There isn't much of a current near the Z bridge at least from what I saw from my trips last year.

steve

 

[POLARBEAR]

tell that to my leadhead jig that was all of a sudden going upriver

uhh! i think that is when you are supposed to set the hook! just kidding steve.

what i wanna know is how could the water under the ice be affected by the wind?

 

[Steely-Head]

The wind can blow and blow and blow and it will not change the direction of the Saginaw River, especially an ice covered Saginaw River. I agree with Polarbear Steve, I think you should have set the hook!

 

[sparty1011]

Yesterday, right at the mouth of the bay / river the current was flowing towards Bay City. The north wind was blowing everything the opposite direction of what the river flow should have been. The wind died, the current went back to normal. Not to disagree or agree with anyone but the wind can change the direction of flow, even with ice cover!

 

[ozzgood2001]

maybe the surface water, but i dont see a current change happening. maybe some actual findings, as opposed to each of our opinions would solve the contraversy

 

[Steely-Head]

It may partially reverse a bit near the mouth for short periods (and thats more of a milling about) but just think about it for a bit - If the river currents reversed, the bay would be flowing into the Saginaw and then into the Tib and Shiawassee, causing massive flooding, breaking dams, overflowing banks, etc. A partial and temporary reverse of the river where it spills into the bay is one thing, a reverse of the whole system (which it would have to be if you claim the river was flowing the other way in Saginaw) is unlikely, if not impossible. Gravity overpowers wind.

 

[MSUICEMAN]

since gravity overpowers wind all the time, how do planes fly art??

steve

 

[FishTales]

Sorry guys, I have to agree with Steve's theory, I had my boat in Harbor Beach one season when a bad storm come through. We had winds pushing 60 mph, someone said that my boat rode out the storm pretty good, it was hardly moving around. Thats cause it was sitting on the bottom. The wind blew so hard it lowered the water level in the harbor about 2 to 3 ft. Therefore if the wind is blowing in the direction of upriver, the forces of the wind on the water in the lake would cause a temporary back flow into the river. If the river were not ice covered the water level would go up, but with the ice cover, the ice fishermen would notice that the water was going the wrong way.

 

[Steely-Head]

I understand the concept of the wind moving amounts of water on lakes, it happens on LSC all the time. Strong winds out of the south blowing for a period of time builds up slightly higher water levels on the north end of the lake, and vice versa. Where I fish on the southern end of the lake the water level can drop as much as 6 or 8 inches during a sustained wind blowing out of the south. The bottom line is that it is impossible for winds to completely reverse the flow of an ice covered riverine system 20+ miles from where it empties into the bay. I could see it happening at the mouth, and maybe, MAYBE all the way up into Bay City if there was a prolonged wind out of the east forcing water into the bay. Even at that, it would only be an extremely temporary thing. Think about it. All of the water that it supposed to be running off of the surface of land of the massive Saginaw River watershed would not only have no place to go, but all of those towns in the area would slowly drown because of all that water DRAINING UPHILL out of the bay (which is what would be happening if the river reversed).

Steve, planes have powerful jet engines to overcome gravity. A jet engine is more powerful than the wind.

 

[The Whale]

Art is on the right path. You reverse a rivers full flow to any degree and you got some serious negative sh_ t happening for the poor folks who live anywhere near that particular water system.

 

[tommy-n]

The saginaw can be like a wind tunnel at times, but there's usually some place where your somewhat protected. good luck