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The last few weekends there have been some bass tournaments on the lake. After weigh ins my brother and another buddy have driven by the launches in the evening or following day to find a bunch of real nice smallies floating belly up that weren’t able to be revived which is a shame and kinda pisses us off.

My question is, do wanton waste laws apply to bass tournaments? Very discouraging to see the awesome resources of this lake wasted and treated like garbage.
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Farqwads! I just spoke to the dnr guy at clinton river about this subject at 7 am. Wish they would feed someone these fish. Or weigh and release when out on lake with a fish cam or something. Or have a livewell boat with refrigerated water or something.
So what did the DNR have to say? As long as the tournament’s are registered then they are legal but that does nothing for the fish that just go to waste.


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and god bless ray trombley in the 60s for ensuring the lsc bass season couldn't open until the 3rd Saturday in June to protect spawning

the 'youngsters' in dnr are probably proud they opened c&r - idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and ray is rolling in his grave!
I have to defend catch and release. It has very little effect/impact on the spawn.
I know you’re gonna talk about the gobies/gills/etc raiding the nests but again, I’d guess pretty minimal impact by the sheer numbers of bass in many age classes caught on the lake.
I can relay some personal anecdotes regarding smallmouth and C&R.
Every spring we fish the C&R season in a creek that shall remain nameless. It’s nothing for our group to catch 1,000 plus smallies in a day and a half. Males, females, it doesn’t matter. There are rockbass, gobies, leeches, crayfish, etc in that creek. When the season opens the last Saturday in May that creek gets absolutely hammered with everybody keeping their limits.
Every year we go back we catch s thousand plus with fish from 9” to 19”+. My point is, if C&R and the season opening slaughter were that detrimental to the bass population, then we would see a big decline in numbers. Every year there seems to be more and more and more fish.
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how many in your group?
It varies from 6-10. This past May there was 10 of us the first day and down to 7 the second day which we only fished a few hours after the rain. Between us all we probably caught 1200+/-. I probably caught 400 give or take in a day and a half.


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that's what I thought......thank you for simplifying the math

you stated you personally 'caught 400 in a day and half', but said you only fished 'a few hours after the rain' on day two.
'give or take'
let's keep it at 400, the numbers tell your story clear enough at 400

sunrise to sunset in mid-may (you said it was before the opener memorial Saturday) is about 14 hr 30 min
day 2 'for a few hours', let's say was 2.5
that equals 17 hours for 400 fish
that's 23.5 fish per hour
which means you are claiming to have caught one every 3.9 minutes
only if you were non-stop fishing from sunrise to sunset - never taking a break from fishing, even for one second

meaning you didn't pee, didn't eat, didn't drink, didn't take a crap, didn't unhook your fish, didn't tend to your line/lure
any time doing those things equates to you having to have caught a fish in less than 3.9 minutes

and didn't smoke - which I think you were probably doing constantly
I knew social media was in for new lows when they legalized marijuana!!!!!!
haha

ps - also interesting you caught 400 but the other 9 guys only caught 600
so you outfished them 400 to 66 (average), almost 7 times better than them
they must suck at fishing!

apologies for the delay
ripley's believe it or not was on the line
wanted me to tell you - they don't

and apologies if you just aren't sharing that you were using an umbrella minnow net
No apologies for this….you can piss TF off. I know the numbers of fish we catch. My brother takes his clicker with him sometimes. This spring he and a buddy caught 382 in about 8 hours. I know numbers like that are hard for a simpleton like you to understand so I won’t even try.
And a fish every 3.9 minutes is high. I usually catch 2 fish in that amount of time. And as for my numbers compared to others in our group, we have fisherman of varying skill levels. Some hood, some not so good.
So please go take your trolling out to the lake.


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Yes the pictures are hard to take. So for a minute let’s take the OP as accurate. Tournaments were held. From the sound of it..live weigh in..fish were released and some didnt survive and went to waste. I wonder how many other fish didn’t make, that you didn’t see. Tournaments ok..CR..ok. Wasted wildlife for entertainment “Not Acceptable” under any circumstance. Nothing wrong with a tournament IMO, but not if this is a result. Gotta find a better way. Period. No debate…wasting wildlife is wrong by any reason standard.
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On another note, I’m sure a lot of time,effort and money were invested into these tournaments. Maybe time off of work and travel ect. All with good intention. Personal investment in boats,tackle ect. Maybe a kick in the local economy gas,lodging and other things maybe..all well and good. I’m sure my next statement will not be received well, but so be it. If conditions are not conducive to live weigh in and release…well cancel or delay. Why should the bass population be wasted,just becuase we have time and money invested and we want our fun and we want it now. Want to have a tournament…great..have fun but waste cannot be a an acceptable. This is a worthy topic for discussion..glad it was highlighted.
They need to go to Major League Fishing format where they weight the fish and immediately release it. I guessing outside a bad gut hooked fish that mortality rates are near 0%.


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that's what I thought......thank you for simplifying the math

you stated you personally 'caught 400 in a day and half', but said you only fished 'a few hours after the rain' on day two.
'give or take'
let's keep it at 400, the numbers tell your story clear enough at 400

sunrise to sunset in mid-may (you said it was before the opener memorial Saturday) is about 14 hr 30 min
day 2 'for a few hours', let's say was 2.5
that equals 17 hours for 400 fish
that's 23.5 fish per hour
which means you are claiming to have caught one every 3.9 minutes
only if you were non-stop fishing from sunrise to sunset - never taking a break from fishing, even for one second

meaning you didn't pee, didn't eat, didn't drink, didn't take a crap, didn't unhook your fish, didn't tend to your line/lure
any time doing those things equates to you having to have caught a fish in less than 3.9 minutes

and didn't smoke - which I think you were probably doing constantly
I knew social media was in for new lows when they legalized marijuana!!!!!!
haha

ps - also interesting you caught 400 but the other 9 guys only caught 600
so you outfished them 400 to 66 (average), almost 7 times better than them
they must suck at fishing!

apologies for the delay
ripley's believe it or not was on the line
wanted me to tell you - they don't

and apologies if you just aren't sharing that you were using an umbrella minnow net
The one thing that pissed me off about your stupid reply is your insinuation that my numbers are fabricated due to smoking weed.

There are 2 things in my life I’m extremely proud of.
1. I’ve never smoked a thing my life
2. I’ve never ever done a drug in my life.

Something im guessing you can’t claim. After all, your screen name is “Thehighlife”


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Man. No drugs.... Glad I had fun

Insuating weed is a little ludicrous though!
Oh I’ve had a lot of fun in my days, just never needed a drug to do it.
I’ve seen more than a few lives messed up to that stuff but to each their own.
My drug has always been the woods and the water and it works for me


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It's simple when money is involved people will cheat. Even with weigh in format tournaments a couple percent will cheat one way or another. I have seen people fish off limits waters and have seen nuts and bolts in stomachs of fish to add weight etc...

You only need 1 percent of dishonest fisherman to ruin an event. It isnt feasible to put an official on every boat for the avg tournmant the way the MLF does. The MLF has about 7 circuits total. The only level they do weigh and release format is the top level with their best 80 anglers. Even then they split the field up in groups of 40 per day because they struggle to have enough officals trained in the rules. Bassmaster only does it for one event per year for lake fork. They have a large network of people passionate about the sport that help organize the officals there.

There have been plenty of bump board style tournaments that have caught cheaters as well. Where you take a picture on a board then release. Cheating is so rampent in those I wouldn't put my money into it. There have been more than one that were caught cutting tails off of fish to use in the picture and extend the fish. Among other tricks.

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It’s a shame people can take something as pure, fun, relaxing, and as enjoyable as fishing, turn it into a contest, and corrupt it to that point.

I’ve had several friends over the years ask why I never got into competitive fishing. I always said that if it were a “job” it wouldn’t be as fun.

I prefer to keep my tournaments amongst my friends and family if for nothing other than bragging rights and razzing the “losers”


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Where’s that creek!?!?!?! Lol
What’s that saying people are using these days?….,if you know, you know
I know there are guys in the forum that know what creek I’m talking about and some can probably back my claims.
All I’ll say is it’s a creek that empties into Lake Huron


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Got it. Let’s all just do our own thing and stay out of bass tournament anglers’ business. It’s a fact 99 out of 100 tournament guys care about their fish and care for them properly and release all their fish alive. Those dozens and hundreds of floaters on St Clair every weekend are from that one angler out of a hundred who managed to catch 10 times their limit. But let’s just ignore all the dead bass and the negative “garbage” that bass tournament guys get and just keep on doing what we do since we can’t afford to ask a friend with a pontoon and stay an extra 30 minutes to make sure our catch has the best chance of survival. Nah, let’s just ignore all the hate and let’s not say anything to the anglers mistreating the resource. After all we know more than Corey and Chris Johnston about keeping smallies alive. Those guys are stupid for bringing 7-8 bags of ice to keep their bass alive, they should know that doesn’t help..:rolleyes:

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Bucknasty this dude just doesn’t get it 1 every 3 minutes!!! There’s times when it’s 3 in a minute


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And just like that, there’s one of the guys who can back my claim.


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That’s simple. Everyone of them can legally keep a 2 man limit of smallmouths home.

Would you feel better about that?

Just make the tournaments catch and keep. I would much rather the tournaments do their best to release as many fish as possible. Keeping 2000 bass would be much worse for the fishery then killing a dozen. Smh

If you fish you have wasted fish for entertainment. Simple as that. There’s no way to fish without killing fish. Even the best fly fisherman gill hook a trout once in awhile.

The hate for tournaments is nonsense. They have participation and very little impact on the fishery. Can’t stand a couple floating fish join PETA. I hope you don’t use minnows.
I dont think there is a ton of hate for tournaments but there is a ton of hate for waste of the resource. Its really no different than someone shooting a big buck, cutting the head off, and leaving the rest of the deer in the woods to rot. Whats your thoughts on that?
 

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The correlation is the exact same.
Someone shoots a big buck, cuts the head off and says, “ehh, I got my trophy, who cares about the rest of it”
These tourney guys, “ehh, I won my trophy, who cares about a few bass belly up”.

In both instances the resource went to waste.
Just my view on it is all.


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You make a good point. I knew a guy who had a business cutting deer. He would typically cut 500 deer in a year and he would have roughly 20 dropped off that nobody ever came back for every season. He said they would go to camp have fun with their buddies. Shoot the buck and bring it home knowing in the back of their mind they dont like venison. Their wife wont cook it they didnt want to pay the processing fee to let it sit in a freezer for 3 yrs. They would just not come back.

Those hunters are among us. There is likely the same percentage of anglers as well. You just see it with the tournament anglers. You dont see it with the guy who takes a limit of walleye and does the same thing. Most people in yhe US today dont eat fish.

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That’s crazyness. I personally won’t kill anything that I or my family isn’t going to eat.
A prime example is a coyote. I hate the fact they eat so many fawns and can have a effect on the deer herd. In the area I hunt, we can’t afford to lose to many fawns but with that being said, I won’t kill a coyote because I’d have no intention of eating it.
I’m just an odd so guess.


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The correlation would only be the exact same if the bass fisherman immediately killed the bass upon catching it. I am trying to figure out if you are for or against tournament fisherman releasing fish. If a tournament takes place, do you want them to release all the fish or take all the fish home?
Regardless if it’s a deer or these bass, they are going to waste so it’s really the same. Only difference is a matter of the death which is semantics.
I personally have no issue with tournaments but there has to be better procedures and controls put in place to eliminate this stuff.


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Lol you mean you never inhaled. Nice one! I may have a pretty good guess on what your professions.

wow another bass argument… Enjoying fishing for this species is so bitter sweet.
No, I mean I’ve absolutely 100% never done a drug or even taken a drag off a cigarette in my entire existence.
And unless I’ve updated info in my profile, you’d have no clue what I do for a living.

I don’t find bass fishing bitter sweet at all but I do find it quite enjoyable.
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