-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: BSE/USA/DOWNER COUNT 130,000 (more fuzzy math) ?
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:47:40 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
References: <[email protected]>
######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #########
Greetings,
it did not surprise me when the FDA/USDA/APHIS changed the rules
during the middle of the game from this ''3D'' movie, but now they
seem to want to change the English Language as well, just to
make the words like (kill, slaughter, etc) to make in the publics eye,
make it look like it is not happening or about to happen. instead,
we now have the word ''denature''. ah, and speaking of a bad '3D'
movie, we now change the word 'downer' to '3Ds'. so instead
of _killing_ all downers, testing and keeping out of the human/animal
food chain, from the 200,000 that Dr. Detwiler stated, they will
actually keep only a minute portion of those downers out of the
human/animal food chain. the ones _they_ claim are CNS downers.
my question is, what about the _sub-clinical_ downers. you may
have a downer fall and break its leg, hind quarter, whatever, but
it may be from 1st complications of a TSE that it fell and broke
whatever. sub clinical TSE is a real threat from healthy and clinical
animals and in my opinion this ''3D'' system they have now set up
should _not_ be accepted by the 30+ countries that the USA bovine
products go to. it seems that the only way that anyone can make
the USA Government take action is through the almighty dollar,
and this means that all these 30+ countries that are now finally
standing up to the USA should continue to hold the USA feet to the
fire. this ''3D'' system will fail terribly, it is a band aide approach to
something that needs a tourniquet. one other thing i must ask the media
that monitor this site to bring to the publics attention, the USA has
been concerned about SRMS and MRMs for years, but only for
USA _export_ product$ YES, the USA has been removing SRMs
and MRMs for many countries due to human health risk, BUT they have
not done this for the USA. there are special certified slaughtering KILLING
plants (not de-naturing.....cracks me up, my mother and many more
were murdered by corporate [email protected] like this, she was not de-natured for
Gods sake, sorry, this BSeee is working on me), so when they
say they are doing this and taking extra steps due to public concern, well,
i simply disagree, it is simply for export reasons and concern people
will cut
back on burgers. ah, and the statement about the 190,000 DOWNERS;
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:51 -0700
Reply-To: BSEL
Sender: BSEL
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss export
$ SRMs
http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/91423.html
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:30:43 -0700
Reply-To: BSEL
Sender: BSEL
From: TSS
Subject: 190,000 DOWNER CATTLE ANNUALLY IN THE U.S.A.,
and not one case of TSE in herds ??? rather phenomenal,
or just plain old cover-up ???
Thomas Gomez, a veterinary epidemiologist with the Department of
Agriculture, told the Institute of Food Technologists convention that
scientific sampling for the presence of bovine spongiform encephalopathy
(the formal name for mad cow disease) among downed cattle brought to
slaughterhouses will increase from 2,000 last year to 5,000 this year
and even more next year.
Our surveillance of this stock is going to be increasing, Gomez said,
explaining that any evidence that American cattle are infected with the
agent that causes mad cow disease would likely first be found in sick
cattle that are brought to slaughterhouses.
Federal veterinarians have already examined the brains of more than
12,000 ill animals brought to slaughter over the last decade and have
not found any evidence that the disease is in this country.
Downed cattle are what the industry labels sick animals that have
trouble walking to the slaughterhouses because of neurological problems
or other illnesses that make them want to lie down. Such cattle are
normally rejected for human consumption, and turned into pet food. Of an
estimated 36 million cattle slaughtered in the United States each year,
about 190,000 are downed cattle.
snip...
http://www.courierpress.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?200106/28+plansto062801_news.html+20010628
USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss export
$ SRMs
* USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss
export $ SRMs
(235 lines)
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
* Re: USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for
Swiss export $ SRMs
(242 lines)
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
BSE-L archives July 2001
denaturing and making things look cosmetically o.k., ........RIGHT!
3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...
snip...
http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf
we must not let these downers (all downers) go unaccounted for,
and let them be burried on the farm. we must compensate these
farmers, and i cannot believe i am going to say this;-) but as OZ
suggested, we must put a 'reward' on these BSE/TSE animals,
all of them.
let the PYRES begin...
TSS
Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:
> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
> #########
>
> Greetings list members,
>
> i remember one vet quoting 190,000 and i remember Dr. Detwiler
> stating 200,000 plus, but that the USDA really has no idea, so where
> in the world is Dr. Dehaven and others getting 130,000 data from?
> He and others been standing up there feeding the Globe BSeee for
> over a week now. when will they open there eyes and see that they
> cannot keep spewing lies and half truths to the public...this is what
> has gotten us in this mess to begin with...
>
> TSS
>
> source;
>
> Subject: MORE BSeee FROM DETWILER...200,000 DOWNERS ANNUALLY and she is
> still singing the 'dont look, don't find' policy "Testing doesn't buy
> you protection."
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:09:47 -0700
> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> Reply-To: BSE
> To: BSE-L
>
> snip...
>
> Surveillance is more than a numbers game, Detwiler says: "It depends on
> the population you're testing and how good your rate of return is." The
> U.S. focuses on the highest-risk animals: neurologically ill and
> nonambulatory ("downer") cows, in which most BSE cases occur. The U.S.
> has about 200,000 downer cows every year, "and if you test 12,500 out of
> that population, you should be able to detect it at that rate of one per
> million," Detwiler states.
>
> snip my comments and text of article but if anyone interested,
> just go to BSE-L archive...
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000A2927-B9DC-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&catID=2
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000A2927-B9DC-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=2&catID=2
>
>
>
>
>
> Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:54:00 -0400
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:54:00 -0400
> From: Linda Detwiler
> Subject: Re: HELLO Dr. Detwiler???????
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-Id: <"990806195914Z.WT19259.
> 1*/PN=Linda.Detwiler/OU=APHISNOTES/O=APHIS/PRMD=GOV+USDA/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS>
>
>
> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.6-p5)/MIME
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>
> Hello Mr. Singletary,
>
> Here are the answers to your questions:
>
> snip...TSS
>
> 3. Number of downer cows in US - Since cows can go down for a number of
> reasons and many are treated and recover we have been yet unable to
> establish the total number of downers and the number of downers which do
> not recover. Our Center for Epidemiology and Animal Health and TSE
> Working Group has been working with the American Association of Bovine
> Practitioners to conduct a study to better understand why cows go down
> and how many do not recover. This work should be completed and published
> within the next couple of months.
>
> If you have other questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Please
> note I will be out of the country from the 7th to the 18th and will not
> be able to promptly respond to further questions.
>
> Linda A. Detwiler
> Sr. Staff Veterinarian
> USDA, APHIS, VS
> Emergency Programs Staff
> =====================
>
> TSS
>
> ########### http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
> ############
>
########### http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html ############
Mad Cow: Linked to thousands of CJD cases?
By STEVE MITCHELL, United Press International
Monday, December 29, 2003
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_15312.html
www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.052707499
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/6/3812?
maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=prusiner&author2=prusiner&title
abstract=prions+meat+tissue+mice&fulltext=prions+meat+tissue+mice&searchid=10243
46978866_6016&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2002
FULL TEXT;
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/3812?
maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=prusiner&author2=prusiner&title
abstract=prions+meat+tissue+mice&fulltext=prions+meat+tissue+mice&searchid=10502
49844061_1953&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2002
TSS
Subject: Re: BSE/USA/DOWNER COUNT 130,000 (more fuzzy math) ?
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:47:40 -0600
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[email protected]>
Reply-To: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
References: <[email protected]>
######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #########
Greetings,
it did not surprise me when the FDA/USDA/APHIS changed the rules
during the middle of the game from this ''3D'' movie, but now they
seem to want to change the English Language as well, just to
make the words like (kill, slaughter, etc) to make in the publics eye,
make it look like it is not happening or about to happen. instead,
we now have the word ''denature''. ah, and speaking of a bad '3D'
movie, we now change the word 'downer' to '3Ds'. so instead
of _killing_ all downers, testing and keeping out of the human/animal
food chain, from the 200,000 that Dr. Detwiler stated, they will
actually keep only a minute portion of those downers out of the
human/animal food chain. the ones _they_ claim are CNS downers.
my question is, what about the _sub-clinical_ downers. you may
have a downer fall and break its leg, hind quarter, whatever, but
it may be from 1st complications of a TSE that it fell and broke
whatever. sub clinical TSE is a real threat from healthy and clinical
animals and in my opinion this ''3D'' system they have now set up
should _not_ be accepted by the 30+ countries that the USA bovine
products go to. it seems that the only way that anyone can make
the USA Government take action is through the almighty dollar,
and this means that all these 30+ countries that are now finally
standing up to the USA should continue to hold the USA feet to the
fire. this ''3D'' system will fail terribly, it is a band aide approach to
something that needs a tourniquet. one other thing i must ask the media
that monitor this site to bring to the publics attention, the USA has
been concerned about SRMS and MRMs for years, but only for
USA _export_ product$ YES, the USA has been removing SRMs
and MRMs for many countries due to human health risk, BUT they have
not done this for the USA. there are special certified slaughtering KILLING
plants (not de-naturing.....cracks me up, my mother and many more
were murdered by corporate [email protected] like this, she was not de-natured for
Gods sake, sorry, this BSeee is working on me), so when they
say they are doing this and taking extra steps due to public concern, well,
i simply disagree, it is simply for export reasons and concern people
will cut
back on burgers. ah, and the statement about the 190,000 DOWNERS;
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:51 -0700
Reply-To: BSEL
Sender: BSEL
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss export
$ SRMs
http://www.vegsource.com/talk/madcow/messages/91423.html
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:30:43 -0700
Reply-To: BSEL
Sender: BSEL
From: TSS
Subject: 190,000 DOWNER CATTLE ANNUALLY IN THE U.S.A.,
and not one case of TSE in herds ??? rather phenomenal,
or just plain old cover-up ???
Thomas Gomez, a veterinary epidemiologist with the Department of
Agriculture, told the Institute of Food Technologists convention that
scientific sampling for the presence of bovine spongiform encephalopathy
(the formal name for mad cow disease) among downed cattle brought to
slaughterhouses will increase from 2,000 last year to 5,000 this year
and even more next year.
Our surveillance of this stock is going to be increasing, Gomez said,
explaining that any evidence that American cattle are infected with the
agent that causes mad cow disease would likely first be found in sick
cattle that are brought to slaughterhouses.
Federal veterinarians have already examined the brains of more than
12,000 ill animals brought to slaughter over the last decade and have
not found any evidence that the disease is in this country.
Downed cattle are what the industry labels sick animals that have
trouble walking to the slaughterhouses because of neurological problems
or other illnesses that make them want to lie down. Such cattle are
normally rejected for human consumption, and turned into pet food. Of an
estimated 36 million cattle slaughtered in the United States each year,
about 190,000 are downed cattle.
snip...
http://www.courierpress.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?200106/28+plansto062801_news.html+20010628
USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss export
$ SRMs
* USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for Swiss
export $ SRMs
(235 lines)
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
* Re: USA BEEF PRODUCTS EXPORT $$$ U.S.A. Abattoirs approved for
Swiss export $ SRMs
(242 lines)
From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
BSE-L archives July 2001
denaturing and making things look cosmetically o.k., ........RIGHT!
3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...
snip...
http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf
we must not let these downers (all downers) go unaccounted for,
and let them be burried on the farm. we must compensate these
farmers, and i cannot believe i am going to say this;-) but as OZ
suggested, we must put a 'reward' on these BSE/TSE animals,
all of them.
let the PYRES begin...
TSS
Terry S. Singeltary Sr. wrote:
> ######## Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy
> #########
>
> Greetings list members,
>
> i remember one vet quoting 190,000 and i remember Dr. Detwiler
> stating 200,000 plus, but that the USDA really has no idea, so where
> in the world is Dr. Dehaven and others getting 130,000 data from?
> He and others been standing up there feeding the Globe BSeee for
> over a week now. when will they open there eyes and see that they
> cannot keep spewing lies and half truths to the public...this is what
> has gotten us in this mess to begin with...
>
> TSS
>
> source;
>
> Subject: MORE BSeee FROM DETWILER...200,000 DOWNERS ANNUALLY and she is
> still singing the 'dont look, don't find' policy "Testing doesn't buy
> you protection."
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:09:47 -0700
> From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> Reply-To: BSE
> To: BSE-L
>
> snip...
>
> Surveillance is more than a numbers game, Detwiler says: "It depends on
> the population you're testing and how good your rate of return is." The
> U.S. focuses on the highest-risk animals: neurologically ill and
> nonambulatory ("downer") cows, in which most BSE cases occur. The U.S.
> has about 200,000 downer cows every year, "and if you test 12,500 out of
> that population, you should be able to detect it at that rate of one per
> million," Detwiler states.
>
> snip my comments and text of article but if anyone interested,
> just go to BSE-L archive...
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000A2927-B9DC-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&catID=2
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000A2927-B9DC-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=2&catID=2
>
>
>
>
>
> Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:54:00 -0400
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:54:00 -0400
> From: Linda Detwiler
> Subject: Re: HELLO Dr. Detwiler???????
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Message-Id: <"990806195914Z.WT19259.
> 1*/PN=Linda.Detwiler/OU=APHISNOTES/O=APHIS/PRMD=GOV+USDA/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS>
>
>
> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.6-p5)/MIME
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
>
> Hello Mr. Singletary,
>
> Here are the answers to your questions:
>
> snip...TSS
>
> 3. Number of downer cows in US - Since cows can go down for a number of
> reasons and many are treated and recover we have been yet unable to
> establish the total number of downers and the number of downers which do
> not recover. Our Center for Epidemiology and Animal Health and TSE
> Working Group has been working with the American Association of Bovine
> Practitioners to conduct a study to better understand why cows go down
> and how many do not recover. This work should be completed and published
> within the next couple of months.
>
> If you have other questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Please
> note I will be out of the country from the 7th to the 18th and will not
> be able to promptly respond to further questions.
>
> Linda A. Detwiler
> Sr. Staff Veterinarian
> USDA, APHIS, VS
> Emergency Programs Staff
> =====================
>
> TSS
>
> ########### http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html
> ############
>
########### http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html ############
Mad Cow: Linked to thousands of CJD cases?
By STEVE MITCHELL, United Press International
Monday, December 29, 2003
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_15312.html
www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.052707499
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/6/3812?
maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=prusiner&author2=prusiner&title
abstract=prions+meat+tissue+mice&fulltext=prions+meat+tissue+mice&searchid=10243
46978866_6016&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2002
FULL TEXT;
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/3812?
maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=prusiner&author2=prusiner&title
abstract=prions+meat+tissue+mice&fulltext=prions+meat+tissue+mice&searchid=10502
49844061_1953&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=1/1/2002
TSS
