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Thanks for the props, WD. We ran Britts pretty hard for 40 some years, the ABC breed club emphasized the "Dual Dog" concept so we participated in both the field trials and some shows too. At one time the Britts held the record for "The Most Dual Champions , ie.one dog having both field and bench championships.

Maybe some Brittany guys can update us? I have always thought that a Brittany was the "best starter pointing breed". Yard train them, introduce the gun and then hit the woods......:D
 
Rob (birdhntr) mentioned something about price. FWIW I paid $750 for my pup. A friend of mine is looking at buying a pudelpointer to the tune of 1800 dollars. I have a fried who pays over 1500 bucks for his german certified GSPs. If i paid that much for a dog it had better shoot and clean the birds for me...
 
$400 and $800

But it's a mistake to think snobbery is explained by puppy price. We all know better than that.
 
I can completely understand someone who is only a part time grouse hunter wanting a versatile dog. If I hunted pheasants more often for instance I would not want a setter. I can also understand someone hunting grouse with a flushing dog.

I would like to hear from someone who is purely a grouse hunter and also owns versatile dogs, what made you choose that breed? Were pointers and setters ever a thought, and if so why did you decide against them? This is a question asked with no judgement just curiosity.
 
[QUOTE="birdhntr, post: 8848337, member: 93125"

I primarily hunt GSP"S (the poachers dog)
The Brittany Spaniel was the original "poachers dog". Bred by the French peasants who snuck onto the King's hunting preserves to snatch a pheasant or rabbit for dinner. Small in size , roany colors so as to be inconspicuous, close hunters and excellent retrievers. And a docked tail so as to be less noticeable in the field. They originated from a mishmash of European breeds in the province of Brittany. The Britts have evolved into the American and French Brittany breeds in the USA.[/QUOTE]
I read up un this.Very interesting.
The Germans stole the term for sure as brittany's have been around much longer.
 
I should have said an e"leet"ist.
I guess if had a dog like hammer I would deal with the stereotype associated with it.
On another note the next time I see you guys at an event could you spruce up the dress code a little and possibly move on from hotdogs, hamburgers, pulled pork sandwiches,and beer.
I'm thinking surf n turf with some fine wines with real silverware and China.
 
Diehard pheasant hunter and unapologetic setter enthusiast here. Are they the “best” dog for pheasants? Maybe not, but I think mine hold their own against versatile dogs nicely. I pick breeders who run in NSTRA trials, and then spend a lot of time working on retrieving and tracking once we’ve got steadiness more or less down. But I also like to duck hunt, so I have one of those Labrador dogs, too. He’s also a great pheasant dog. I prefer to hunt them over the setters, but he’s real handy when they start hiding out in the cattails!
 
For what it's worth, the guy that got me into dogs started with a pointer and then transitioned to weimaraners.

Personally, pointers or setters aren't my cup of tea and the fact I can do an early duck hunt with or task my dog with finding a rooster in the cattails after the shot is nice. All that being said, porcupines suck and no possum is safe around my house.
 
When I started bird hunting with my grandpa he had a pointer, 2 vizslas, and a lab. All were excellent hunters, he mostly ran the lab with the pointer and then the 2 vizslas together. Then I started hunting with my uncle who ran strictly black labs but he had 450 acres in Kansas that he ran birds on and claimed that pointers would struggle just do the amount of birds. Another guy I also hunted with ran 2 Brittany’s just because he liked the breed. My uncle in Florida runs EP’s on quail. He said you don’t see many shorthairs down their either. So some of it is demographic too. But To me it comes down to personal preference and what guys are looking for in a dog. I run GSP just because I like their character. And my wife likes the markings. I have a buddy who doesn’t hunt but has a GSP because he’s an avid runner and cyclist and wanted a dog who could go with him.
 
I mean I’m so much better than everybody as it is I can’t imagine if I had a setter or a pointer ..... last I checked we aren’t living in fiefdom’s anymore. The average guy can hunt and have dogs, they don’t need to be the Duke of someplace or another to have good dogs.
Yeah I can't imagine what I'd do with a setter. I actually need to retract some of what I've said in terms of there being less elitists and snobs. It's really that these types of people quite common but but perhaps no longer need a certain dog to be what they are.

There's a gentleman who posts on here all the time many times every day who has several times berated me for saying that not everyone wants or should want trial breeding in their hunting dog. He's also called me a dog abuser for light use of a training collar or for using a buzzer on a training collar. These are the same dogs who sleep on couches, open christmas gifts, and rarely get a heavy hand. Yet according to this horse's a$$#### this great dog ended up in the wrong hands.
 
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I can completely understand someone who is only a part time grouse hunter wanting a versatile dog. If I hunted pheasants more often for instance I would not want a setter. I can also understand someone hunting grouse with a flushing dog.

I would like to hear from someone who is purely a grouse hunter and also owns versatile dogs, what made you choose that breed? Were pointers and setters ever a thought, and if so why did you decide against them? This is a question asked with no judgement just curiosity.
I once saw a video on YouTube of a guy who lives in northern Michigan and he hunted grouse/woodcock with labs. And he did very well for what I saw on video. I wish I could remember the name of the guy and video. But it was interesting to see a lab working in the grouse woods.
 
I once saw a video on YouTube of a guy who lives in northern Michigan and he hunted grouse/woodcock with labs. And he did very well for what I saw on video. I wish I could remember the name of the guy and video. But it was interesting to see a lab working in the grouse woods.
Probably Fritz and Ric Heller. They run labs and have alot of videos on youtube. Big RGS supporters and some of the best grouse killers in the state arguably. Look up grousecommander.

My wife has a lab mix which she owned before we met and I have added her to my hunting string. I have some covers that i hunt where pointing dogs are "pointless". I know where the birds should be and the flushing dog just helps present better shooting opportunities.

Hunting with the lab helps curb some of my elitism
 
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