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I have a question for you and all the members of this site. Since the DNR is now going to have on-line license sales, how would you feel about taking an on-line deer survey before you buy your deer license? It would only apply to people buying on-line and wouldn't involve standing in line at a store waiting for others to take a survey. Here's how it could work. You would first have to enter your name, address, birth day and drivers license number. Most of this is required for buying a tag anyways. Then, before you purchase your license, you'd have to take a quick deer survey. The questions could be 1. Did you deer hunt in 2000? 2. Did you harvest any deer in 2000? 3. If yes, were deer harvested in archery, firearms, muzzleloader or a combination of those seasons? Click correct respective seasons for type and number of deer harvested. 4. How many of those deer were bucks, does, button bucks, doe fawns? Then, if there was an insert to the state map of DMU's, you could ask which DMU the deer were harvested in. You'd have to have ability to put more than one because some hunters kill deer in more than one DMU. Then you could update it weekly so everyone could see what the respective harvest was for each DMU. You could also ask a few easy questions like 1. Did you pass up any bucks in 2000 in pursuit of QDM? 2. Would you like to see a "no spike" rule in archery season? Or similar questions. Of course, this info would be from the past season, but it would allow hunters to see which DMU's have the highest kill ratio, because you'd be able to see the number of entries to number of deer killed, and the DNR could cross reference it with thier data from that year. Assuming that 10-15% of hunters will buy on-line, that's better than the mail out surveys now in place. It wouldn't be a hassle because you could do it at home. By having to enter your name and drivers license number, the DNR would know if you bought a tag that year and thus insure that some PETA type wouldn't want to play games with it. So, what does everyone think?
 

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Sounds like a good idea to me. Tom if you are out there, let's schedule a time on our chatroom (campfire) to talk about this and other online DNR activities with the sportmen and women of this site.
 

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Bob,
I like it.At least it's hard numbers.
If it's too expensive(Yeah right!)to do a manditory check in using Mr.Westons wonder whoopie terminal,this is close enough for me for now.What can it hurt?
There may be those folks that exaggerate their kill,or just flat lie and say none to get through the process faster,but I really think most guy's want hard numbers and will contribute freely!
Nice one Bob!
Good Luck all!Pat
 

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Good idea! You might want to make it voluntarily. I think the majority of hunters would want to complete the survey, and making it voluntary would help eliminate potential bad press from those that might want to complain.

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I agree, it should be voluntary, but worded to encourage hunters to take it. Something like, "If you would be willing to take a survey that will help us improve your hunting, press 1" would work, I think.

I would participate in a discussion at the campfire, just tell me when to be there.

Good hunting,
Byron
 

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count me in. I would be more than happy to offer 5 min of my time to better the DNRs understanding of the deer herd.

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sounds like a much better system then what is in place for the federal migratory game birds or hip as it is called in ohio. the kids at wall mart don't seem to think it is important enough to ask ya the questions so when you say you want a hip registration the next thing you know your lisc is being printed and when you ask about hip they say yes it's on there i answered the questions for you!!!!!!!!!!but in michigan at cabela's the sales person who sold me my lisc did ask me all the questions so at least i answered for one of the two states i hunt in
 

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Unfortunately, as the old saying goes, time is money. That's why, as a retailer, I like the idea of a survey on the DNR site instead of at the retail outlet. I have to admit, there's been several times where I have personally had to "edit" the waterfowl survey when I have sold small game tags. The reason for it isn't that I don't give a damn about duck populations, I do, it's that customers usually wait until the last minute to buy their license and they all come in at one time and line up at the counter. Add to the fact that small game opens in mid-September, which is peak salmon season in Baldwin, and you can have up to twenty guys waiting in line. I can speak for all store owners when I say that if you have ten guys in line for a license and there's a bunch of customers who need help with store inventory, some of it expensive inventory, you want to get those license guys done ASAP so you can get to the paying customers. And don't get me wrong, I don't cut corners on the license itself, but sometimes I don't have time for a voluntary survey. And all stores do it in limited situations. But the person sitting in his underwear at home can take a five minute deer survey. The same would hold true if we tried to do a deer survey at the store. On September 30 and November 14, you'd better have a lot of free time on your hands, because you'd be in line for an hour.
 

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It could be an automated phone survey that the license dealer encourages the hunter to complete when they get home or wherever. The survey instructions could be handed out with the hunting license and/or included in the hunting guide instructions.

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WEll I just bought an E-license last night. I can't say that i like them though, but it is nice to order online.
 

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I think it would be a great idea. I really do. On top of that, why limit it to deer questions? Grouse, pheasant, coyote, etc...could also be answered.
The solution is an easy fix. The DNR could have set up a 1-800 number a long time ago.
Your largest problem is getting the DNR and state game commissions to believe that their data isn't already accurate.
They don't see a need to improve their research. At least this is the perception I get.
I was a fanatic about this stuff some years ago. I called J. Jehnsen up in Lansing, called John Urbain on the phone, and tried to get others in charge to reexamine their data.
They disagreed and said they were perfectly content with their statistics.
I decided it was total bs...I needed to gain credibility and get involved on a higher level....so I went to college. I majored in wldlf bio in Fairbanks, AK.
I learned many many things in the wldlf mgmt and statistics classes....stuff like: N/M=n/m, how to measure habitat, don't make the muskox run in -50f cause they will overheat, and a ton of other things.
I left Alaska knowing 2 new things:
1. There is no $ in wildlife field research.
2. The techniques used to collect data currently used by state and federal departments are time tested, field tested, and pretty sound. Not perfect, but within an acceptable margin of error.
It was after I learned these 2 things did I understand why the DNR researchers operate as they do.
This is just my long winded experience, and I'm not sure if it helps.
The DNR doesn't see the need to collect a million pieces of data when an accurate deduction can be made from 10,000.
In places that they need more focused data, they do get hunters involved in instances like the waterfowl survey and the TB directive.
I am not defending the DNR, nor bashing them....I'm nuetral...it is comprised of many different people in many different positions with many different directives and I have a hard time lumping the agency as a whole in my arguements.
I hope my input helps in your suggestions of improving our wildlife populations in Michigan!
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The biggest problem I see is not everyone has the internet and it's not random, would people that were successful bother, I'm sure people that were not successful would. Other than that, it's more of a question for Wildlife Division since they are the ones that use the numbers most of all. I have see the new e-license program and I would suspect (can't remember for sure) some questions are there for waterfowl hunting just like the current small game license is when purchased from a license agent. It's a question that I really can't answer though.
 

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I would do it. why not, for those who have internet, have the poll on the DNR web site. have to put in drivers lin # so you dont have MR. silly putting in false data. I think its a great idea.

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Folks

Sorry I am late in posting a reply to this good topic. Since I am just the license guy the decision to do surveys via the web will come from Wildlife. However we have been talking about this issue for the past few weeks and doing a survey on the web is not all that difficult. Obviously at first we may only capture data from a certain population but as the web grows we can target a larger group of hunters/anglers.

I will pass these comments on to the DNR Big Game Specialist.

P.S. I had a good deer season, 8 guys in our camp in Menominee took 7 bucks off of State land. Six bucks were 2 1/2 years old or older and one 1 1/2, unfortunetly I was the unluckly one.

[This message has been edited by Tom Weston (edited 12-21-2000).]
 
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