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I sent an email to the NRC and received this answer this morning:

"That subsection (f), of Wildlife Conservation Order section 3.100 is due to be rescinded on May 12, 2017. I have forwarded your email on to the Wildlife Division to respond to your questions. Thank you."

There was no indication that it will be renewed so it is my belief that we need to raise our voices to the Wildlife Division, our MI representatives, MUCC, retailers, Conservation Clubs etc to get this regulation finalized into regulation. There is no logical reason to rescind this regulation and it is also my belief DNR will fight to allow this to be rescinded since they fought the rule for five years prior to passing of three year trial.

Time to raise your voice fellow hunters!
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I just received reply from DNR today and this will be before the NRC in April and May meetings:

Thank you for contacting the Department of Natural Resources.

The regulations for straight-walled cartridge use in the limited firearms deer zone were only set in place for three years and are now subject to review. This topic is on Natural Resources Commission agendas for this spring. It will be discussed at the following:

  • Natural Resources Commission Meeting, April 13, 2017, at the MSU Diagnostic Center, 4125 Beaumont Road, Lansing MI 48910

  • Natural Resources Commission Meeting, May 11, 2017, West Shore Community College, Administrative and Conference Building, North Lounge, Scottville, MI 49454
The complete agendas for these meetings will be available two to three weeks before they take place and can be found at www.mi.gov/nrc. Typically, the Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries portion of the meeting begins at 1:00 p.m. and public comment takes place two or three hours later. You can also find out exact times prior to the meeting by contacting Executive Assistant to the NRC, Cheryl Nelson, at 517-284-6237 or [email protected]. In addition, you can send Cheryl your feedback about the topic in advance of the meeting.
Thank you for your interest in deer hunting and regulations.

Now it is up to us to express our desire either at the NRC meetings or written submittal. I also suggest contacting your MI representatives to gain their support as well.
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Suggested posting for clubs, retail etc, revise, modify as desired:

Straight Wall Rifle Regulation Southern Shotgun Zone Expires on May 12, 2017
The regulations for straight-walled cartridge use in the limited firearms deer zone were only set in place for three years and are now subject to review.

This topic is on Natural Resources Commission agendas for this spring. It will be discussed at the following:
· Natural Resources Commission Meeting, April 13, 2017, at the MSU Diagnostic Center, 4125 Beaumont Road, Lansing MI 48910

· Natural Resources Commission Meeting, May 11, 2017, West Shore Community College, Administrative and Conference Building, North Lounge, Scottville, MI 49454

The complete agendas for these meetings will be available two to three weeks before they take place and can be found at www.mi.gov/nrc. Typically, the Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries portion of the meeting begins at 1:00 p.m. and public comment takes place two or three hours later. You can also find out exact times prior to the meeting by contacting Executive Assistant to the NRC, Cheryl Nelson, at 517-284-6237 or [email protected]. In addition, you can send Cheryl your feedback about the topic in advance of the meeting.

Thank you for your interest in deer hunting and regulations.
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Please consider submitting comments in favor of continuation of the straight wall firearm in southern shotgun zone either at the meetings or at the NRC email address above. Comments could include discussion that this rule has allowed youth, women, aging hunters to become more interested in deer hunting by shooting .357 Mag, .44 Mag etc. versus high recoil slugs. The rule also has had considerable economic impact to the Pittman–Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act from firearm sales and ammunition which benefits all wildlife.

In addition, consider adding the highlighted calibers to the rule to be consistent with Ohio:

http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/hunting...trapping-regulations/deer-hunting-regulations

“Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50- 90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.”

Calibers like .35 Remington, 30-30 Winchester, 45-70 Govt all should be considered for inclusion as well.
 

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For those interested in submitting comments, please send them to the NRC listed below.
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Thank you for contacting the Department of Natural Resources.

The regulations for straight-walled cartridge use in the limited firearms deer zone were only set in place for three years and are now subject to review. This topic is on Natural Resources Commission agendas for this spring. It will be discussed at the following:

· Natural Resources Commission Meeting, April 13, 2017, at the MSU Diagnostic Center, 4125 Beaumont Road, Lansing MI 48910

· Natural Resources Commission Meeting, May 11, 2017, West Shore Community College, Administrative and Conference Building, North Lounge, Scottville, MI 49454

The complete agendas for these meetings will be available two to three weeks before they take place and can be found at www.mi.gov/nrc. Typically, the Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries portion of the meeting begins at 1:00 p.m. and public comment takes place two or three hours later. You can also find out exact times prior to the meeting by contacting Executive Assistant to the NRC, Cheryl Nelson, at 517-284-6237 or [email protected]. In addition, you can send Cheryl your feedback about the topic in advance of the meeting.

Thank you for your interest in deer hunting and regulations.
 

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BTW - the new Remington ML using 4 pellets is no doubt has greater range now and the vast majority of the calibers in straight wall with possibly only the 460 being able to stay with it. But the accuracy potential of straight wall is still better than shotgun or ML on shot to shot comparison IMHO. ML still has all the variables of consistent charge, bullet to sabot friction, sabot to rifling engagement etc., shotgun shot to shot consistency and associated recoil that can be hard to manage for slight build such as youth, women, slight build men and even old codgers like myself (which isn't an issue for me but my age group for sure). I have run into a lot folks at range with .357's, 44's etc that are having a blast shooting getting ready for deer season. What was great to see was the number of young folks there shooting these rifles. I shoot often so I got to see some of the rules impact. I also saw a Ruger in .450BM that was interesting in that the recoil from this small light rifle turned the guy off after 3 shots so I think the AR upper replacement is maybe better option.
 

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The MIDNR memorandum would make you believe this was proposed in 2014. Wow, talk about a blind eye to the process! This regulation was proposed in 2009 as House Bill HB5416 by Matt Lori of 59th District and went thru several renewals such as HB4283 until finally getting thru both legislative bodies to the NRC for three year trial. This bill took five years to get to the NRC. DNR fought this every inch of the way. Kind of interesting the memorandum describes the positive impacts similar to what was submitted to support this bill. Ohio actually took our draft verbatim, added common sense calibers and ran with it faster than MIDNR. I believe it will continue on and be positive influence for hunter recruitment for youth, women, older generation folks that wish to reduce recoil and even those who currently don't shoot enough due to recoil from slugs. This was the sole reason this bill was proposed by myself to Representative Lori and appreciate how much work he and his administrative assistant Susan Martin dedicated to getting this bill thru the process. I would also thank MUCC to bringing their weight to the process as well which no doubt helped get it over the hump with DNR and got it to NRC. Hopefully, we can get some common sense calibers (30-30. .35 Rem, 45-70, .32 Spec, etc.) added in this renewal.
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