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13 “non-tribal” commercial outfits, he wrote. The Garden Peninsula is famous for Whitefish sandwiches; now via truck from the north shore I believe.
Lately I am wondering if the Lk MI Whitefish population competes with the Lk MI Lake Trout population, and who wants what where, if so.
I am getting closer to buying some fish some day. $6/gallon fuel makes a rain day excursion to just go catch some a more fraught decision.
Lately I am wondering if the Lk MI Whitefish population competes with the Lk MI Lake Trout population, and who wants what where, if so.
I am getting closer to buying some fish some day. $6/gallon fuel makes a rain day excursion to just go catch some a more fraught decision.
Just about everywhere in this state it's a closer drive to a swimming fish dinner than it is to a fish market that sells great lakes fish.
If this is about the tribes commercial interests, why are lakers being stocked by the millions and whitefish virtually not stocked at all?
I’m still waiting on a response of what tribal laws are on the books regarding fishing and the penalties associated with such infractions. If tribal laws are not broken because they do not exist it means no action will be taken in tribal court. If laws are broken they must be a penalty. Non tribal members may not like it but it’s no different than our legal system. The tribes have their compiled laws just like non tribal members do. It’s up the each party to enforce and penalize offenders as they see fit, outside parties have no say.
That’s true. But I do drive by the chance to purchase semi-regular and eventually that will pull me in. I usually forget to stop then remember the idea 20 miles later. Sucks to get old. The Whitefish sausage at one famous place is outstanding, but they were busted for cheating; kinda turned me off that particular delight. Might camp for a night on the Garden soon, might even result in my first Whitefish sandwich in a half-dozen years. I figure they will be $13.99 by now though.
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Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a conflict, I'm making this comment as a question because I don't have the answer in my mind.
Let me make a MACRO,MACRO overview of this Consent .
Isn't there an organization that does a statistical calculation of the quantity of fish by species and make a determination of how many fish by species there are ? Doesn't the Consent Decree allocate by ratio how many fish can be harvested by the Native netters?
So my question is; what does the Great Lakes sport fishers/recreational anglers have to do with the Consent rewrite.
Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a conflict, I'm making this comment as a question because I don't have the answer in my mind.
Let me make a MACRO,MACRO overview of this Consent .
Isn't there an organization that does a statistical calculation of the quantity of fish by species and make a determination of how many fish by species there are ? Doesn't the Consent Decree allocate by ratio how many fish can be harvested by the Native netters?
So my question is; what does the Great Lakes sport fishers/recreational anglers have to do with the Consent rewrite.
The food source for whitefish has been mostly eliminated by invasive species brought into the Great Lakes by non tribal members. Ever heard of zebra and quagga mussels? They filter out the food required for opossum shrimp to thrive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysida
Yes, whitefish actually eat them. They're also quite fond of another invasive species now common in the great lakes...the round goby.
When I want to find an answer, I do the research myself, why your request to spoon feed yielded no response. The ennforcement and regulations section of the Consent Decree begins on page 101...
I wondered why you were so glib in those comments and question. Tribal regulations and enforcement are a closley guarded secret. Generally, they mimic the State's penalties, particulrly now that several State legislators did such a wonderful job of killing the efforts by Ed Mcbroom's committee to update Michigan's ancient commercial fishing statutes which confer the maximum penalty for catch quota violations at $100 per offense. Tribal courts had opted to match that fine value prior pulling the publication of their actions and decisions.
Both the Soo Band and the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission used to post the court decisions in the monthly tribal newsetters, MUCC used to provide a monthly oversight summary of trapnet and gillnet catch data along with summary listing of tribal court determined penalties and violations...all no longer listed in public access tribal documents.
I wondered why you were so glib in those comments and question. Tribal regulations and enforcement are a closley guarded secret. Generally, they mimic the State's penalties, particulrly now that several State legislators did such a wonderful job of killing the efforts by Ed Mcbroom's committee to update Michigan's ancient commercial fishing statutes which confer the maximum penalty for catch quota violations at $100 per offense. Tribal courts had opted to match that fine value prior pulling the publication of their actions and decisions.
Both the Soo Band and the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission used to post the court decisions in the monthly tribal newsetters, MUCC used to provide a monthly oversight summary of trapnet and gillnet catch data along with summary listing of tribal court determined penalties and violations...all no longer listed in public access tribal documents.
There in lies the issue. Non tribal members actually do not know what actions were taken if any. It’s a closed nation that has its own laws and punishment system. It may not seem fair to outsiders but that’s the way it is.
They’re not. They’re just arguing amongst each other. We have a spot in the cheap seats, 2 doors down.
The non-tribal members you infer as source(s) of dreissenid mussel invasives were enabled by several FEDERAL agencies who side-stepped and/or ignored bilge water dumping and treatment requirements that existed. Among them the US Coast Guard Service and USACE. Freighters entering the St. Lawrence seaway were required to exchange bilge water while still in a marine system prior entry into the waterway. The USCGS failed to do their job of enforcing existing laws. Add-in that Federal legislators actually made sure that Great Lakes states with bilge water exchange laws more stringent than the Fed's were over-ruled.
This, too, is neither an accurate statement; not even partially true. Dipoeria affinis amphipods were the principle food item of lake whitefish stocks that were displaced by dreisennid mussel invasion and proliferation. Opposum shrimp played a secondary role as a food item, as well as providing a biologic pathway from demersal environments back into fish populations that were concentrated in surface or near-surface waters. Lake Whitefish recruitment has significantly declined in the northern waters of Lakes Michigan and Huron fished by tribal entities, yet while lower, it has not exhibited as marked a decline in Bays de Noc populations, exposed both to a intense winter sport fishery and a commercial fishery by non-tribal fishers.who primarily fish trapnets and some pond nets, with very limited gillnet usage. You can make a pretty good indirect argument that gear usage (gillnets) has a marked impact via induced mortality on undersize and underaged whitefish, yet CORA biologists opt not to see it. The Soo band is attempting to initiate planting of Lake Whitefish, coupled with a Federal program that is attempppting to indentfy key spawning reefs for round goby eradication
This, too, is neither an accurate statement; not even partially true. Dipoeria affinis amphipods were the principle food item of lake whitefish stocks that were displaced by dreisennid mussel invasion and proliferation. Opposum shrimp played a secondary role as a food item, as well as providing a biologic pathway from demersal environments back into fish populations that were concentrated in surface or near-surface waters. Lake Whitefish recruitment has significantly declined in the northern waters of Lakes Michigan and Huron fished by tribal entities, yet while lower, it has not exhibited as marked a decline in Bays de Noc populations, exposed both to a intense winter sport fishery and a commercial fishery by non-tribal fishers.who primarily fish trapnets and some pond nets, with very limited gillnet usage. You can make a pretty good indirect argument that gear usage (gillnets) has a marked impact via induced mortality on undersize and underaged whitefish, yet CORA biologists opt not to see it. The Soo band is attempting to initiate planting of Lake Whitefish, coupled with a Federal program that is attempppting to indentfy key spawning reefs for round goby eradication
But they use our well fare & free medical system, right? Seems fair! Cool👍 Souvern nation my fanny!!✌
I disagree, had Michigan's legislators passed an effective commercial fishing statute that would serve as a guidance document, penalties that are not punitive would not exist. Why? Because there exists a mechanism to shame the tribal courts into effective enforcement, but not until the State sets that standard, which the Feds will cajole and coerce them into adopting. And you said you read the Consent Decree...?
There is a resolution mechanism in place.
There is a resolution mechanism in place.
It's interesting that you should even have to make mention of this to this poster. In another thread luv2hunt suggested I attend a national powwow convention to find the information about the tribes that he was referencing that has given him a new take on the Consent Decree.
Would it have been better if all the land in the 1836 treaty remained under full tribal control excluding non Native American? If that happened there would be no need for this thread.
As I said, seperate but equal was supposedly struck down in 1954.
Actually, they have access to Federal Supply Schedule pricing for all medications the Federal Government purchases from the pharma. industry. The Feds get a discount garanteed to be X percent below the best commercial price. Example: The Soo Band had garanteed their elder population free medications for life, which along with the off-book corporation that partnered with the Greek consortium on the Detroit casino venture that is now defunct was driving them bankrupt via their drug purchase expenditures prior Merck working to enact this purchase pathway via a VA hospital in Oklahoma.''
I had all the tribal health care accounts for Michigan and Wisconsin
Actually, they have access to Federal Supply Schedule pricing for all medications the Federal Government purchases from the pharma. industry. The Feds get a discount garanteed to be X percent below the best commercial price. Example: The Soo Band had garanteed their elder population free medications for life, which along with the off-book corporation that partnered with the Greek consortium on the Detroit casino venture that is now defunct was driving them bankrupt via their drug purchase expenditures prior Merck working to enact this purchase pathway via a VA hospital in Oklahoma.''
I had all the tribal health care accounts for Michigan and Wisconsin
I’ve also read Judge Fox’s interpretation.
What was your opinion after you spent the day talking to multiple tribal members and their opinion of the consent decree?
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