While you defend gill nets, Rome burns.
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Michigan United Conservation Clubs
The Coalition to Protect Michigan Resources filed a motion to intervene Wednesday in the ongoing Great Lakes Consent Decree negotiations. The motion states “the breakdown in the relationship with...
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I would like back my $3,000 plus investment (tax dollars) in the three epirb units that went missing back in 2007 from the three trap net boats in Manistee. A friend of mine inspected the boats and noted that they had up and disappeared. Rumored to have been sold. Yeah sure rumored.
After that lovely winter of 2010/11 the recovery program of 10 plus trap nets was quite epic. When that barge came up the channel with piles of trap net leads lumped on top it was a sight to behold. Then they were transported over to the municipal garage and laid out for every knowing person to cruise by and gaze upon. I believe that whole investment (tax dollars) was around $12,000,000 in 2000.
It took an act of god (mother nature) to rid our fishing grounds (17 miles of structure starting a mile north of the port of Manistee south to 2 miles past Big Sable Point) of 14 trap nets placed by tribal fishers. Yep an act of god. For the past 11 years it has been very peaceful setting lines at 4:45 in the AM not having to freak out if my lines were going to become fouled in my investment (tax dollars) in trap nets. It cannot be argued that this investment (tax dollars) was an absolute total loss.
$12,000,000
Kisutch
God Bless Dr Howard Tanner
Former Lake Michigan Stakeholder
Lake Michigan Lake Trout Gillnetters Association Join Now "We pledge to kill them all"
Alewife what?
After that lovely winter of 2010/11 the recovery program of 10 plus trap nets was quite epic. When that barge came up the channel with piles of trap net leads lumped on top it was a sight to behold. Then they were transported over to the municipal garage and laid out for every knowing person to cruise by and gaze upon. I believe that whole investment (tax dollars) was around $12,000,000 in 2000.
It took an act of god (mother nature) to rid our fishing grounds (17 miles of structure starting a mile north of the port of Manistee south to 2 miles past Big Sable Point) of 14 trap nets placed by tribal fishers. Yep an act of god. For the past 11 years it has been very peaceful setting lines at 4:45 in the AM not having to freak out if my lines were going to become fouled in my investment (tax dollars) in trap nets. It cannot be argued that this investment (tax dollars) was an absolute total loss.
$12,000,000
Kisutch
God Bless Dr Howard Tanner
Former Lake Michigan Stakeholder
Lake Michigan Lake Trout Gillnetters Association Join Now "We pledge to kill them all"
Alewife what?
Heard from very reliable source that the state also funded their patrol boats in the early 2000's.
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I just sat though a LHCAC meeting and it was unreal to hear Dave Caroffino vehemently defend the DNR's indefeasible consent decree and make it sound like the massive expansion of commercial fishing on the Great Lakes, including the migration to lethal gill nets, is somehow a great plan that we should all support. It sad and sickening to see our fisheries getting mismanaged and flushed down the toilet this way. Of course, when it crashes, the netters and the DNR will never take any responsibility. Instead it will be typical scapegoat like global warming, invasives, bla, bla, bla.
Here is a link to the CPMR's objection filing
2023.01.20-CPMR-Objections-to-Parties-Stip-for-Entry-of-Consent-Decree-ECF-2062.pdf (michiganoutofdoors.com)
I tend to agree with Dave's position that "stories told about quick decimation of area fisheries was from a different time and different circumstances that will not repeat themselves" I do not agree with all the positions taken by him but I have no idea what give and take happened behind closed doors. I agree with you that the State will most likely contest all challenges to the decree as they do not want to open the whole document to new negotiations.
What more could the Indian's want in the decree, except no decree at all? Oh wait, the largest tribe is not signing off on that agreement and wants no decree, so I guess I answered my own question. I guarantee that there will be areas that get fished out by the gill netters and if anybody disagrees with me, I'll take that bet, but I doubt anybody will bet against me because deep down, you all know I'm right.
Don't forget about the supplemental fish plants the State and fed's will be doing to replace those fish caught by the Tribes and recreational anglers. Again, I don't think the TAC has changed from the 2000 Consent, so the fish harvested should be no greater than in previous years.
Hahahaha! TAC? What TAC? Its game on up here! Every man for himself! Get em while the gettings good, and there is still money swimming around down there!
They’ll stop when they pull an empty net after a good soak…and then move it to somewhere else, like a refuge or another spawning ground.
Replacement quantities will never keep up with indiscriminate gill netting with zero enforcement.
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Unfortunately you are likely right. When gill nets were used before by the Indians, they wiped out large areas. Now the DNR is telling us that we shouldn't look at that data because it is old and things are different now. LOL
If anything, it will be worse now days. The Indians will have better boats, more knowledge, better equipment and better electronics. As for the TAC, keep in mind that it will largely be on the honor system and one of the tribes, the biggest one, will not even likely have a TAC, zones or anything else as they want to self manage themselves and not be part of any agreements or rules.
Reminds me of the old saying: "Don't piss down the back of my neck and try to tell me it's raining."
Human nature Gordon.
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The DNR’s propaganda machine is working hard trying to spin their Great Lakes Giveaway through gill netting campaign.
Get the real scoop here:
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Get the real scoop here:
State of Michigan, DNR Releases Questionable FAQ Document Related to Fishing Decree
The State of Michigan and its Department of Natural Resources (DNR) issued an “FAQ” document last week taking shots at angling and conservation organizations trying to protect our Great Lake…
protectmiresources.com
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If the state truly believed that allowing the Indians to use gill nets was fine and dandy, and would not harm the fisheries, then why haven't they also advocated for state licensed commercial fishermen to fish the same way? Of course that is a rhetorical question, sense the DNR knows full well that gill nets are in fact indiscriminate killers of fish and have for that reason banned them for decades. Such BS.
Yup, another clear, concise, honest, truthful, biased report from your local, friendly CPMR.The DNR’s propaganda machine is working hard trying to spin their Great Lakes Giveaway through gill netting campaign.
Get the real scoop here:
State of Michigan, DNR Releases Questionable FAQ Document Related to Fishing Decree
The State of Michigan and its Department of Natural Resources (DNR) issued an “FAQ” document last week taking shots at angling and conservation organizations trying to protect our Great Lake…protectmiresources.com
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....and, oh, by the way, there is no hidden agenda there!
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