[Luv2hunteup]

You seem to be so negative in shutting down any doubt about the certainty of the situation to the point that your motives are highly suspicious. You argue on every thread on comercial fishing issues siding with the netttrrs every time. Do you even fish the great lakes? What's your motivation to be so pro commercial fishing? I wonder? Still waiting for proof that the Supreme Court has ruled on this issue on the 1836 Treaty as you claim.

Who is going to take it to the Supreme Court? Both sides do not want to take a chance and lose the opinion. Treaty waters are just that, if you don’t like sharing with those who have treaty rights there is plenty of water out there where you don’t have to share.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

If the state can't get an agreement that protects the fisheries resources, then the state should not accept it. The current governer will never pursue it in court though. We'll see what the future holds.

We will see this drag out longer since some of the tribes will seek separate arbitration. Until then the tribes will follow the direction their elders send them in. After all they claim rights to all fish in the ceded waters. You should be happy they share.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

MUCC posted an article today to subscribers. Of course it anti tribal. No real details except that the Soo tribe wants their own deal since to other 4 tribes have some odd demands.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

This just set the stage for the Soo tribe in Lake Huron and Lake Suprior to have a big win in these negotiations. Nobody really cares about the minor give backs in Lake Michigan in the entire scheme of things.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Maybe gordon casey needs to read up on history. Iv read the books. And i know exactly who put the salmon in thr great lakes. It surely wasnt any commercial fisherman or indian tribe. Imo they have zero rights to the sportfish in the great lakes. Which means they dont get to target them by means other then sport fishing.

There in lies the problem then. The state planting salmon in tribal waters where the tribes feel they have rights to 100% of the fish. The State really screwed up on that one. Our opinions really don’t count for anything. It’s the Federal judges opinion that matters.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Yea they really screwed up. Only created the best inland freshwater fishery in the world.

If they didn’t do it there would be no sniveling and whining by sports fisherman who want to fish in tribal waters. The agreement was made before Michigan was a state.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

And all the tribe gave up is the ceded territories for settlement and shared rights to the Great Lakes fisheries. . Who got the better end of that deal?

 

[Luv2hunteup]

I'm afraid to say that the Consent Decree is finished. Just waiting for the Sault tribe to decide what they want to do. Looks like the Consent wording for all the 1836 Treaty Great Lakes waters is a done deal.
I looks bad enough on it's face, but what about the fine print. How will the Tribes self regulate them selves. Still the 100.00 fines. Who will keep track of what they catch. How much will they report. Looks like the "bio-mass" allotment is favorable to the Tribes. How many supplemental fish will be planted.
The netting of the salmon is terrible.

Tribal members are by the Feds to report everything they take including maple sap.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

I've learned Michigan is not settled by settlements yet!

Have any of the Great Lakes ever been settled?

 

[Luv2hunteup]

The last I heard the 4/5 of the Tribes signed the agreement but the Federal judge has not. I have not heard if or when the deciding signature will appear.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Maybe a boycott would be a better idea. Non tribal members should quit fishing tribal waters for a decade. If fish numbers decline everyone will know Tribal members are a detriment to the fisheries. That will show everybody who was right.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Once upon a time there were many many more anglers, and many more fish. Then several horrific things happened in the lakes and the anglers petered out over time. No one care but the 11 of us on this thread, plus some charters who thought it could be a business too. What’s a charter but a commercial fishery with hook and line?

there’s nobody left to care.

The Federal Maritime Commision is the one at fault for causing the bait fish crash in the Great Lakes. Their inaction caused the fisheries decline. Let them fund the elimination of the mussels and invasive species introduced into the Great Lakes via ballast water not the Tribes or sport fisherman or commercial fisherman.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Everything discussed is past tense. The invasive's are here now. We should talk about what we can do rather than what we should have done. I'm sure there will be more invasive's yet to come.
If the Government really cares about stopping the invasives's they should put the effort in properly caring for bilge water rather than giving lip service. It's a whole lot easier to clean the bilges than to try to do the impossible.....remove them from the Great Lakes.

Not much is being done by the DNR to stop the spread from the Great Lakes to inland lakes. It’s not international ships but sport fisherman who are spreading it to inland lakes and rivers. Should they be held financially held responsible for when it happens?

 

[Luv2hunteup]

How do those fish know where the international line is? Commercial fishing goes on both sides of the border as well as state lines. The State can control what falls under their jurisdiction but it stops at the border, the fish don’t.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Arn’t charter boats considered a commercial fishing operation? It would seem their numbers show be limited in nature too.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

All fish are taken with sportfishing licenses. It's a commercial boat engaging in sportfishing.

Agreed a commercial fishing operation.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Agreed you lack reading comprehension skills

Obviously you do not understand the definition of a commercial fishing definition. The first paragraph of the link should help. It’s possible you could learn something.

https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf_pub_ctr/de231cf.pdf

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Nobody on a charter boat has a commercial fishing license, but all fishing must have a regular recreational license and must abide by all the recreational fishing regulations. This is a very simple concept. When your family gets together for Christmas, they may need to have "that talk" with you about taking away your keys and putting you in a home. Not being able to grasp this very easy concept could be a leading indicator of severe mental decline.

Very simple concept per written definition. It is a commercial fishing business. I posted the definition real slow hoping you could grasp the concept that it’s a commercial fishing operation. It checks all the boxes. Try reading it again. It’s one commercial fishing business whining about another side who has treaty rights. No more no less. As always trearty rights will suepcede wishful thinking.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Call the RAP line and report all the charter boats for engaging in illegal commercial fishing without a commercial fishing license. Come back and tell us what the DNR tells you.

Now you are grasping at straws. Nobody ever said they were in violation of statutes. Do you need me to post the definition again. Reading it multiple time may help it sink in.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

You posted a definition used in California that has no legal bearing in Michigan. Post it all you want, but it is meaningless. If the Michigan charter boats were engaged in commercial fishing but we're not licensed for commercial fishing, they would be in violation. Better enjoy your independence while you still can.

You mean as useless as your interpretation. If so we both agree that you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.