[SJC]

Shouting match between DNR director, coalition a tipping point in consent decree negotiations - Michigan United Conservation Clubs

A coalition of angling and conservation groups filed a motion to reconsider in federal court on September 16. The Coalition to Protect Michigan Resources (CPMR) has its roots in a 1979 court ruling that affirmed fishing rights under an 1836 Treaty. In 1984, the coalition was granted amicus...

mucc.org

Time to clean house...

 

[Luv2hunteup]

Pretty one sided article so you are right the author should be thrown out with the trash.

 

[SJC]

I suppose MUCC would be one-sided when it comes to the director of the Department of Natural Resources doing zero to protect said resources. The "director" has has no care for the interests of the state's recreational anglers or conservationists. His only interest is to pander. He is not doing his job. He needs to go. There is no "other side"...

 

[charminultra]

I suppose MUCC would be one-sided when it comes to the director of the Department of Natural Resources doing zero to protect said resources. The "director" has has no care for the interests of the states recreational anglers or conservationists. His only interest is to pander. He is not doing his job. He needs to go. There is no "other side"...

How can you get rid of him?

 

[Luv2hunteup]

With a non disclosure agreement how does anyone know what is truly going on in talks? Speculation runs strong.

 

[SJC]

With a non disclosure agreement how does anyone know what is truly going on in talks? Speculation runs strong.

Right. We do not know what is happening with the talks. We do know that the DNR is not looking after it's (our) interests.

 

[BuckeyeFootball]

I just have a feeling we're going to get hosed I hope Im wrong.

 

[CHASINEYES]

It seems that the upper reaches in management of our fish & game has been taken over by activist and dysfunctional social justice warriors.
Maybe I'm wrong. At any rate, it's not a good look.

 

[Gordon Casey]

Right. We do not know what is happening with the talks. We do know that the DNR is not looking after it's (our) interests.

You are right, we do not know what is happening!

You are wrong, we do not know if the DNR is helping or hurting us. We do not know the constraints the DNR is working through. Remember, the DNR is bargaining from the position of legal weakness.
We may not like the changes in the new Consent, but maybe, the DNR, on our behalf, bargained to make it not as bad as it could have been.
The DNR is/has been doing a good job working through all the hoops they have to jump through.
It's the human nature to insert negativity into everything. At times, I'm just as guilty as everyone else. Some people are of the opinion that the DNR are out to screw them, they think DNR just loves to take all the heat from those that don't get exactly what they want.

 

[Gordon Casey]

It seems that the upper reaches in management of our fish & game has been taken over by activist and dysfunctional social justice warriors.
Maybe I'm wrong. At any rate, it's not a good look.

They are just working within the legal, political, special interest, Treaty, Consent, Government and Biological constraints and have to make decisions that make EVERYONE happy. An impossible goal.

 

[B.Jarvinen]

Yeah the DNR did it, in the back room, with the top secret plan.
Not the trillion Quagga Mussels, in the Lakes, with their natural food source.

7 days till the 30th. No one likes driving to meetings in the snow, everyone is sick of Zoom, and no one wants to be forced to think too much around a Memorial Day weekend. I predict all we hear next week is: “June 30th.”

 

[SJC]

They are just working within the legal, political, special interest, Treaty, Consent, Government and Biological constraints and have to make decisions that make EVERYONE happy. An impossible goal.

I'm so glad you chimed in to play devil's advocate. When the main conservation watchdog group in the state is crying fowl on the DNR after working with them so closely, some have said too closely, I'd say say there's something to it. Sometimes I think you only join these conversations to be argumentive and stir the pot.

 

[SJC]

Yeah the DNR did it, in the back room, with the top secret plan.
Not the trillion Quagga Mussels, in the Lakes, with their natural food source.

7 days till the 30th. No one likes driving to meetings in the snow, everyone is sick of Zoom, and no one wants to be forced to think too much around a Memorial Day weekend. I predict all we hear next week is: “June 30th.”

That's not what anyone is saying. The DNR is doing NOTHING. It won't be extended is what I'm hearing. It's done.

 

[SJC]

How can you get rid of him?

He's appointed...

 

[Luv2hunteup]

They are just working within the legal, political, special interest, Treaty, Consent, Government and Biological constraints and have to make decisions that make EVERYONE happy. An impossible goal.

I agree everybody will not be happy. The State is charged with ensuring treaty rights are maintained for the Federal government. The DNR will come up with a plan to fits within the framework. Maybe it’s time for the charter boat captains to begin negotiation with the Federal government explaining how they somehow lost their rights prior to Michigan’s statehood. With the non disclosure agreement all the teeth gnashing is wasted effort. No worries, the sun will still come up once the decision is announced both sides will lose.

 

[piscatorial warrior]

You are right, we do not know what is happening!


It's the human nature to insert negativity into everything. At times, I'm just as guilty as everyone else.

Very admirable of you to admit this. It wouldn't kill some others on here to " 'fess up " once in a while. Me included

 

[B.Jarvinen]

That's not what anyone is saying. The DNR is doing NOTHING. It won't be extended is what I'm hearing. It's done.

I will be happy to be wrong about no more extensions. I am mostly just fascinated by the situation as an example of humans attempting to manage a resource. And I still suspect some of the bands might actually want more “sport” species, not less. They don’t harvest Lake Trout @ Nunns Creek. Recently, the Ecologists had to wave the white flag on the idea of restoring Cisco in Lake Erie - Reality has a rather impressive W-L record in such contests.

As for the DNR, it doesn’t appear, to me, there is anything they really can do here anyway, and they are just along for the ride like everyone else.

 

[Gordon Casey]

I'm so glad you chimed in to play devil's advocate. When the main conservation watchdog group in the state is crying fowl on the DNR after working with them so closely, some have said too closely, I'd say say there's something to it. Sometimes I think you only join these conversations to be argumentive and stir the pot.

I am only representing the other side of ANY story. People like to jump to the "stirring the pot" analogy to defend their side of the story.
I'm guessing you personally have not been involved in collective bargaining, consensus decision making, group decisions where every decision maker has EQUAL input. You would then understand that individuals NEVER get their way and those individuals are the first to bitch that everyone else is F...ed up and they are the only ones that are right.
In the case of this Consent rewrite, everyone at the table does not have equal power. I believe the DNR appoint people that represent the DNR. So when you say the main conservation watchdog group (CPMR) is crying foul, is justified because they have no seat at the table.
I always listen and defend, if I feel it's right, ALL sides of every issue and I also understand that any one position is not correct
So I will say the CPMR is stirring the pot on this Consent issue, they have no business at the table and they are the argumentative ones.
You say the CPMR is right, I say the CPMR is wrong, with legal evidence, and I'm the one blamed as stirring the pot.

 

[Gordon Casey]

That's not what anyone is saying. The DNR is doing NOTHING. It won't be extended is what I'm hearing. It's done.

I think the Fed's are saying it's done! If the stake holders can't make the decision the Fed's will and no one wants that to happen.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

The deadline is approaching is the only thing that is truly known.