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The CPMR is a collection of local conservation, hunting and fishing clubs trying to stop the expansion of nets. If you are a fisherman, you should be worried.

The DNR, and the USFWS are teamed up with the tribes to put nets at every tributary in indian waters and not enforce net placement anywhere else.

The “Motion to Intervene” is a last ditch attempt to say “hey, what about the 1 million fishermen in Michigan? Don’t we get a say?”


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Only when both sides agree. Right now the tribes feel they have rights to all fish in the treaty waters of the Great Lakes. They are sharing that resource so we know which side will have to give up their share to ensure the tribes treaty rights are not infringed. I looked through the treaty along with Federal interpretation of the decent decree, I don’t see where a seat at the negotiating table is available for special interest groups are included. If charter captains and the tourism interests wanted to be included in the treaty they would have been at the table in 1836.
The CPMR is not a special interest group. It is an amicus signatory representing 1m fishermen statewide.


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The heart of this story is recreational fishermen have zero representation in the future of the fishery. The CPMR, MUCC and other conservation organizations have spotlighted the disregard of the general population of 1 million license buyers for 40 tribal licenses.

The CPMR motion to intervene and the follow-on response should serve as a black eye for the DNR.


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Cork, coming in hot with a heat round. 13 active tribal licenses versus ~1m fishing licenses in the state of Michigan.

Solution: A rotating observer on every boat or processing location (many new jobs). A shut down ticket for any violations including by-catch. All paid for by license revenue, the windfall bill Whitmer just signed, pot money, casino money etc.

No enforcement=no limit.

Gordons rumor of no zone, no appointment of the resource. Rumor? Seems oddly specific.

Great Lakes fishing is screwed. This will take a decimation of Lake Michigan and Lake Huron…the tribes fishing interest will die off, and then we start
Building stocks back up in 10 years or more.

Us old farts won’t be around to see the rebuild.


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The Coalition to Protect Michigan Resources received excellent and hopeful news today regarding the fight to protect Michigan’s sport fishery and your rights to the continued enjoyment of Michigan’s natural resources.

Today’s happenings: Judge Maloney has granted the CPMR request to be heard in court on their motion seeking to intervene.

That hearing is set for August 25.


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Recreational fishers have no seat at the table. CPMR have an advisory position to the State, Fed, negotiators. But I think, in reality, the CPMR align themselves with special interest fishing groups and charter groups. "Joe angler" maybe not so much.
Wrong. Small fishing clubs are “B share members” in the CPMR.


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So you have to be a member of some club to be part of the negotiating team. What percent of Joe angler is part of a club


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No. You don’t have to be a member of “some club” to be part of the negotiating team.

A lot of planets have to align to even consider contributing to the betterment of the fishery and give the negotiating team your wants and needs.

The recreational fishing clubs that:

1. have 2 nickels to rub together to help pay legal fees have joined.
2. have a membership population that want to improve the fishery and conserve the resource have joined.
3. have leadership in the club that care to get involved have joined.

100% of the clubs and the CPMR are Joe Angler. If you enjoy fishing in the great lakes or inland lakes of the state of Michigan you are affected by this decree. Inland lake decree is next.


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How many Joe Angler's have JOINED fishing clubs and are active members? Sure, some give money to fishing associations but are non participants. A very, very few take part in meetings. Again, the DNR and MUCC is their voice but they can't hear what Joe Angler says.
I agree! The DNR does not listen to “Joe Angler”. That is why the CPMR filed a motion to intervene…because the DNR does exactly opposite of what “Joe Angler” wants.

The MUCC has been fantastic representing “Joe
angler”. They accept all proposals for legislative changed and vet them very carefully and vote on them through committees and finally to the General Membership within the MUCC…then they take it to the legislature. Pike reg changed in the UP, for example, came from Joe Angler.


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I have questions. Hopefully we can have a sane conversation.
Lets say the Consent negotiators come to an impasse, they are deadlocked, no agreement whatsoever. What happens next?
Do the courts say the existing Consent is null and void and everything reverts back to the Treaty of 1836?
Do the Native have unfettered hunting and fishing rights in all of the Treaty zone?
Now we come to the political "hot potato", the definition of "settled land".
Does settled land mean all private land or does settled mean only habitable land?
Lets say a land owner has 180 acres and the house is situated on 1 acre. Does settled mean only that 1 acre which means the Natives can hunt and fish on the other 179 acres?
Eliminating the Consent will mean the exclusive netting zones will be eliminated therefore causing a wild west mentality between the recreational anglers, non native netters and the Natives. I see gill nets in front of every river mouth.
I can only speculate, based off of publicly released information on the CPMR website, the Facebook pages, the forums, and the news articles…but will answer your questions. On the 14th of November you can compare my speculation to reality.

1). The negotiations have completed. The draft decree is written. There was no impasse with negotiators. The tribes fought amongst themselves of how to split up their new territories and their new allowed methods of netting and their new populations of all fish to sell. The DNR, USFWS, and tribes all got what they wanted which was to get the decree done and Great Lakes Fishermen and Conservationists had no say at all.

2). The 2000 decree is null and void as of 14 November and the new rules will be in place.

3). I can’t speak to hunting rights. But Yes, the tribes now have unfettered netting in all 1836 water. There is no quota. There is a Total Allowable Catch limit, but without supervision or enforcement, the tribes TAC limit will never be reached.

4). Can’t speak to settled land for hunting, but yes, all 1836 waters are available for gill nets. And without any supervision and enforcement, all waters are available for gill netting.

Who you going to call? The sheriff? The DNR? The USFWS in Lansing? The tribes? Ha! They will point to another organization and keep you leaving voicemails everywhere and they will be relieved when they direct you to someone else.

5). We finally agree on your last statement. Welcome back to 1980. Gill nets will be in front of the every tributary from the Grand River to Saginaw and beyond. The wild west is here.


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Sportfishing regulation changes won’t be posted. Most likely there won’t be any changes to sportfishermen regulations.

There won’t be any published changes from the tribes, USFWS or DNR. They don’t want any publicity on this at all. It will covertly be published on the USFWS website when they get around to it, with no announcement.

The way this works “on the water” is you will feel, see, or smell 300’ of “subsistence netting” in front of the Boardman river for example. It won’t be marked except with a plastic milk jug 4’ underwater because it was pulled down by the weight of rotted fish. If your lucky, you will notice it before your motor does.

You will start making calls to the DNR poaching hotline with no answer to your voicemail.

You will call the local DNR office and they may answer or you will leave another voicemail.

If you do get any response from the DNR, it will direct you to the local tribal Law Enforcement office where you can leave a voicemail…with no response.

You can then call the sheriff. He will direct you to the DNR.

You can call the USFWS in Lansing or Washington DC and they will point you to the DNR.

Unless you have an injury or death, you have no recourse. If you do have injury or death, the sheriff may “take the case”. A personal injury lawyer, if you have saved up for this, may file a lawsuit in federal court.

You (or your lawyer) can then call the press, but they won’t run with it because it doesn’t fit their agenda.

You will dig into the new decree (only buried online on the USFWS site) to find that new miles of large mesh gill nets are allowed and now miles of “new small mesh gill nets” are also allowed (I’ve heard through Facebook posts, forum posts, and other publicly available sources).

Once you stop catching fish, after a few expensive trips, you will find another hobby that will be your new entertainment.


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The past few years or so we have all been speculating as to what the results of the negotiations will be . I speculated that the Tribes want to fish within ALL Treaty waters and they also want to expand the species of harvest. If that becomes true, I wasn't that far off. Just wondering what those additional species will be? Salmon? Walleye? Perch?
Species take is not relevant. Gill nets are kill nets. Everything from perch to salmon are free game.

When you use the term “negotiation” you imply an active discussion, with give and take compromises. No one was negotiating for the 1 million anglers of the state. It was the DNR and the USFWS just wanting to get it done and get out of court.

All waters in the great lakes are free game. There is no oversight, reporting or enforcement.

Who are you going to call to report or stop a gill net operation? See my post above.

The original treaty was OK. The federal judgements allowing further encroachments since 1836 are the real problems.


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