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Not good at all. Reading the brief it sounds like the state has been shutting the CPMR out of negotiations and trying to get an agreement done.
 

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This is old news! It’s the way it’s always been! We know what they want us to know! We have no right to enforcement or to demand enforcement of anything! We need legislation!!! Bla bla


Since this decision came down, I've wondered if it would have any impact here regarding the treaty.

Couple of notable quotes from the article :


"To be clear, the court today holds that Indian country within a state's territory is part of a state, not separate from a state," - Justice Kavanaugh

"under the Constitution and this court's precedents, the default is that states may exercise criminal jurisdiction within their territory." - Justice Kavanagh
 

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For those of us not on facebook. Is there another source of this info?
Not good at all. Reading the brief it sounds like the state has been shutting the CPMR out of negotiations and trying to get an agreement done.
Got worse the more I read...
It never ceases to amaze me the number of posters who, for whatever reason, withhold important if not vital information, bandy about acronyms and the like and then seemingly expect replies and comments.

CPMR (pick your favorite) : Conflict Prevention Management Resolution, Center for Promotion of Multidisciplinary Research, Certified Professional Manufacturers Representative, Computerized Patient Medical Record, Chinese Postal Map Romanization, Coat Protein Mediated Resistance and evidently about another 50 or so. :dizzy:

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It never ceases to amaze me the number of posters who, for whatever reason, withhold important if not vital information, bandy about acronyms and the like and then seemingly expect replies and comments.

CPMR (pick your favorite) : Conflict Prevention Management Resolution, Center for Promotion of Multidisciplinary Research, Certified Professional Manufacturers Representative, Computerized Patient Medical Record, Chinese Postal Map Romanization, Coat Protein Mediated Resistance and evidently about another 50 or so. :dizzy:

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Read the article and it won't be so confuzzing...
 

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Since this decision came down, I've wondered if it would have any impact here regarding the treaty.

Couple of notable quotes from the article :


"To be clear, the court today holds that Indian country within a state's territory is part of a state, not separate from a state," - Justice Kavanaugh

"under the Constitution and this court's precedents, the default is that states may exercise criminal jurisdiction within their territory." - Justice Kavanagh
Count me as one who believes that the treaty will absolutely not be impacted.
 

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Only after all the fish are gone. Will there be serious negotiations.
 

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Some people sit around and complain that there is nothing that can done. Some people decide to act. I'm glad there are still a few action people left to protect the resources for the complainers.
Donate – Coalition to Protect MI Resources
Thanks for posting the link. I just donated, again. I'm also a paid member of several of the organizations in the coalition.
 

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Read the article and it won't be so confuzzing...
You've done it again . Why do you think I'm confused when I've read nothing to be confused about ? Why not just summarize what you're posting about or provide a link for those of us who don't "Facebook" . You're like those who post : "Buddy wants to sell me his deer rifle. What do you think a fair price is ?"

Thank You !

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First off, what does the Washington Treaty of 1836 say about Native Americans fishing? I just read it. It's linked below. The only mention of fishing rights is a reference to The Treaty of St. Mary’s of June 1820. As far as I can tell, it can be implied that what these two documents say is the head of the household can go catch dinner.
I just don't see where fishing rights means you can make an industry out of it.

I'm saying all that to say this. It's nice to go to court and all that. But how about the Court of Public Opinion?
Like maybe setting up shop close to casinos. Dazzle and Baffle the public into thinking that Native American fishing is decimating the fishing for sportsman.
Dazzle and Baffle the public into thinking what the Native Americans are doing is not the intent of the treaties.
Dazzle and Baffle the public into thinking the intent of the treaties was to allow Native Americans to be recreational fisherman, not create an industry that is taking fish from both native and non-native recreational fisherman.

I've linked the two treaties below. Would it be worth the effort to take this fight to the streets? Pass out literature at every fair, festival, in every newspaper, etc, that makes it appear that the Native Americans are taking an unfair advantage of the these two treaties. Now keep in mind what I'm talking about here. You want to perceive the public into thinking the Native Americans are being unethical. It's not about if that's true of not. It's what you want to lead the public into believing.

This is becoming political. Why not pull the same shenanigans that politicians pull? Dazzle, Baffle, mislead, sidestep. You know what I'm talking about.


 
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