I have a simple formula for heavier flies whether top water or subsurface, and mainly use this leader for 7 wt. rods and above. For 6 wt. and below I just start with 15 lb. and progress down from there.
1 ft. - 20 lb.
2 ft. - 15 lb.
3 ft. - 12 lb. for heavy tippet, 10 lb. for lighter tippet
4 ft. - 10 lb. or 8 lb. for lighter.
I generally use Maxima ultragreen and this seems to work well for me.
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