I had posted a response under a different thread about a question in regards to this gun. I have been looking for a varmint rifle to also double as a deer rifle for my kids when they get older. Had seen a Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow(Blued) 243 WSSM with a cheapie Simmons scope(didn't pay much attention to the scope) for $399. Seemed like a fairly good buy, but would like input from any gun gurus, also curious about the short mags as compared to a traditional 243. As always thanks in advance for your input.