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Interested in any photos people might have of bullets recovered from Deer.

- Location of shot
- blood trail
- distance shot
- type of bullet/brand

This is a picture of a recently new 250gr Barnes 450 bushmaster recovered from a Boar.



Looks like if it did mushroom it came apart inside the animal.
 

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I've only recovered two bullets ever. Both were from the same bear. The bullets were 195 gr. Hornady 8mm bullets from an 8x57 at 2500. The first one I recovered embedded in the spine from a quartering toward shot. The second I recovered when I bit into it while eating a roast. I actually shot that bear three times. It was the only time I've ever had to do that. It was also the only bear that never ran off. It dropped to the shot, couldn't run, and I kept shooting while it was thrashing.
 

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130 GR .277 Hornady SST Mule deer hard quartering entrance 4 ribs from the back. Bullet found hanging halfway out at the base of the jaw on the opposite side of deer.. 3150fps at the muzzle distance to deer 345yds..

Weight as pictured 93grains..
 

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I think those monometal sometimes lose the 'petals'. I would weight the bullet and see how much weight it lost. My brother shot a deer with a ml and some monometal bullets and apparently the exit wound made him think it didn't expand. But i think maybe the expanded portion just fell off.

I wonder with these low velocity rounds especially like the bushmaster, shotguns, and muzzle loaders. Seems like the monometal wont want to expand well at those velocities and perhaps they need to make some compromises in strength to make that happen.
 

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I think those monometal sometimes lose the 'petals'. I would weight the bullet and see how much weight it lost. My brother shot a deer with a ml and some monometal bullets and apparently the exit wound made him think it didn't expand. But i think maybe the expanded portion just fell off.

I wonder with these low velocity rounds especially like the bushmaster, shotguns, and muzzle loaders. Seems like the monometal wont want to expand well at those velocities and perhaps they need to make some compromises in strength to make that happen.
450 bushmasters in bolt can shoot 2900 fps 200gr, 2550fps 240gr. They all expand well.

Shotguns are much lower velocity than 450 bushmasters like 1000 fps slower.
 

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450 bushmasters in bolt can shoot 2900 fps 200gr, 2550fps 240gr.
Those velocity figures are not supported by any ammo manufacturer or reloading manual. On what do you base them?
 

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The Hornady 9th ed. reloading manual has a maximum velocity of 2,200 fps for its 250 gr. bullet from the 450 Bushmaster with a 16" barrel.

SAAMI specs for the 450 Bushmaster call out 38,500 MAP, and 2,250 fps for a 250 gr. bullet and 2,150 for a 260 gr. bullet from a 15" barrel.

There are few, if any, cartridges that are directly comparable in terms of MAP, bore diameter, and bullet weight, but there are some that shed light. The 35 Whelen with a 250 gr. bullet, 62,000 MAP, and the same 15" barrel is rated at 2,385 fps. The 444 Marlin with a 240 gr. bullet, 42,000 MAP, and the same 15" barrel is rated at 2,320 fps.

I could go on, but the point is 2,550 with a 240 gr. bullet from a 450 would have to exceed design pressure for the cartridge.

As a side note I was surprised to see the 15" barrel length for all of these cartridges, especially as the data was unchanged from earlier 24" barrels. From my memory SAAMI used to quote 24" barrel lengths for most cartridges. That has changed, but the velocity data has not. Also there are no commonly legal 15" rifle barrels in the US. Why the 15" standard? I haven't a clue.

In the end I highly doubt the 240 gr./24" barrel/2,550 fps came from pressures within SAAMI specs. Additionally, 2,900 fps/200 gr. cited by Bobby072 is insane. It is beyond 8mm Rem Mag velocities with a 200 gr. bullet.
 

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It doesn't matter which whatever loads their ammo at. It matters what the bullets were designed for. If you are pushing the bullets far faster than they were designed for, then all the more reason they dont perform correctly.
 
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First bullet I have recovered in a long time.

350 Legend Winchester 150XP. 40 yard shot from high tree stand. Slight quartering too. Entered high shoulder and stuck in hide behind opposite shoulder. Minimal blood, but followable, as expected based on shot placement with no exit. Lungs were obliterated

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Those velocity figures are not supported by any ammo manufacturer or reloading manual. On what do you base them?
Bear Creek Ballistics and Blackbutterfly both have fast rounds. The hornady blacks is 2200 fps off the shelf. The best is Bear Creaks 240gr at 2550fps.

The 450 BM case is 60,000 psi and the bolt 450BM have different specs than AR platform which is 38,500 psi. The bolts are more in line with .308 pressures but the books only show AR not bolt information. The 240gr bear creeks shoot great from my bolt 450.

We are getting off topic here though. This is really a picture thread not a discussion.
 

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As many have mentioned, you'll have a hard time getting pictures of bullets that shot through game. Some people dont like pass through. Most of them aren't using barnes.
 

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Really? Oh my.
As many have mentioned, you'll have a hard time getting pictures of bullets that shot through game. Some people dont like pass through. Most of them aren't using barnes.
All true, I'm just looking for anyone with photos that did find a bullet. Might be only 20 percent or less. Just looking for those photos if you don't have one thats ok.
 

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I don't believe I've ever had a bullet fail to pass through a deer or bear.
I've had three that I know for sure that didn't pass through a bear, possibly five. Possibly some that didn't pass through a deer, but none that I recovered.
 
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Over the years I have found 6-10 maybe most where Nosler Partitions out of 243./Win Shoulder shots at close range seemed to get far less penetration but dropped deer like a bad habit..
 
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