Yes the collars where only a few off,z404&z401 if I remember rite.Mike Ive got to the point where I dont see anything but feet,the shiney foot gets it first,when I shot my collars I didnt see the white one till I was walking up to it,then I still thought it got hung up on some trash or something, It was with in 10 feet befor I relised what it was,the orange I saw coming in and the green one I had seen and took 4 days to pattern to get.They said the green one was done in lk.orion and went to the n.w.hudson bay to molt,then to ohio,back to lk.orion to a cut wheat field to meet me,birds love me!!!lucky enough to get a Jack miner band,#93035.The first bird I ever shot feel to a 1100,2 3/4 and had a band,now you say your shooting a 2 3/4 inch sheel and people laugh,I now shoot sp,10 or 1187.