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What is the reason that only certain River can be mentioned in this forum ? I don't mean to complain or stir up trouble, I just don't understand the rule. There are many other Rivers in Northern Michigan and many people who fish them. There is no other forum that I am aware of where these rivers can be discussed. Anybody North of Traverse City is excluded from talking about their local streams, not to mention those of us who don't always fish the "Big" Rivers. There are individual Rivers that I have caught more fish out of than all of those I cam mention combined and I'm not sure why we can't talk about it. Could we get a new forum for other Northern Michigan Rivers?
 

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I know Whit1 has more insight to this than me,but I think the biggest reason is a lot of the smaller rivers don't need the pressure that 13,000+ members not to mention non-members could put on these smaller fisheries.
If you were to post a specific on river X where you pulled in a fair number of fish today I would bet the farm you'll see a whole lot of unfamiliar faces there in the days to come.
You can post on them,just don't name them:)
 

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The decision on what rivers can be named and discussed is a subjective one. The reasoning for this rule is based on the premise that if they are mentioned, the added pressure will somehow cause them harm. I understand the logic, but I disagree with the practice too.

Personally I have learned not to mention where I fish because this added pressure from listing that information on this web-site can be staggering. This site has become a target for people who only come to learn where the hot bite is and just lurk as guests. That means they never contribute any information. What I am saying is that even though I disagree with the rule, I don't name them if I could because of the added pressure that will surly result.

Some of the bigger rivers I will mention, like the Muskegon, the PM, the Grand and the Big Manistee because they can take the pressure. Why go north of Traverse City when you have the Boardman river right in town. My son lives there, and catches lots of trout and steelhead right in the downtown area all the way to the dam just a couple of miles upstream.

I don't fish it much anymore because I don't care for the urban fishing and upstream there are many cabins. You almost have to go way up on the South Branch to find any solitude. Anyway there is no reason not to discuss the fact that you fished a north west river. Once you get to meet people they will know what your talking about and when you get into a group that you can trust, it is an excellent way to share information via PMs and I'd say that is what most people do.
 

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Once you get to meet people they will know what your talking about and when you get into a group that you can trust, it is an excellent way to share information via PMs and I'd say that is what most people do.
Well said :)

And you can learn a lot from some of our excellent picture takers;) :lol:
 

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The way steelhead fishing is these days, if you hear the bite is good you are too late. You have to be there to hit the great days, word of mouth is a day late, and a dollar short.
 

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I've seen in my short time on this web site, that lots of guys just want to probe you for your information. In other words, lets say i fish a small less know stream and post about it. I'll have several guys wanting to know the name, location, time of day, patterns, etc. First of all, im sure we all have our favorite streams and holes, but if you start sharing that info how long before your hole gets crowded or fished out?
Lots of the smaller streams cant support much fishing pressure for many reasons. Location, size, tempature, to name a few. Add a few to many new fishermen to that river and the quality can go down.
The Manistee, Au Sable, Boardman, Pm to name a few are well know waters that most everyone who knows fishing should know these waters. They are larger water that can afford the pressure(as long as we use the resourse
properly). So what i think is that if you have a favorite river and its not on
the list to talk about than that should be good news for you! Hopefully, you
will be able to enjoy "your" river with out added pressure from a bunch of us who just got the info off of MS Sportsman.

As far as myself, I live in metro Detroit, when i do get a chance to get up to my cabin and enjoy a few hours on the water i like to have it to myself
as much as possable. Though i have met many fine fella's along the Man. or Au Sable and have enjoyed comparing notes, i still prefer to have the water
all to myself.
 

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as far as these "certain" rivers go...

i dont believe the "hype" either...

2 summers ago on a smaller tributary down south NOT one word was mentioned about that trib on ANY of the major fishing websites for the state of michigan(or anywhere else for that matter) and to my amazement the water was packed!!!:yikes:

im sorry but when you go kayaking to get away from the crowds and count 28 driftboats going by it reminds you of the PM in the middle of a heavy salmon run...

so i too don't believe in the hype...

it may sound mean but in the 5 years i have been a member here the site has changed alot...

and with that being said the number of members has more than doubled...

the problom isn't these sites...

it is how popular fishing/hunting is becoming...

nowadays instead of corporate golf outings you have guided corporate outings on the big manistee, PM or muskegon...

im not complaining because i know everybody has to make a dollar too...

but with that being said you have to accept that these "small" waters will have pressure too...

whats gonna be next threatening the local bait shops because they are giving out too much info???

its like a select group that is trying to keep 6th st. dam a secret:lol::rolleyes: ...

i dont know about you but in the 2nd most populated city in the state, you have to expect that "spot" to "grab" some attention...

anyways i respect what the admins and mods want to maintain as status quo...

its not my website and they put in the hours to keep it up and running...

cya on the river,

mark
 

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There isn't a secret fishing hole out there, those days are gone. I know most of the NW rivers like the back of my hand, the only way to score is you have to be there on the right day.

How many times have you heard the saying, "You should have been here yesterday"? That is steelhead fishing these days, it is rare to see more than a couple days in a row of great fishing.
 

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There isn't a secret fishing hole out there, those days are gone. I know most of the NW rivers like the back of my hand, the only way to score is you have to be there on the right day.

How many times have you heard the saying, "You should have been here yesterday"? That is steelhead fishing these days, it is rare to see more than a couple days in a row of great fishing.
Enlighten me please. Since you know the spots and live up there please provide me with a half dozen of your favorite places (stream names, holes, locations)for Brooks and Browns. Me and a bunch of weekend warriers from metro Detroit would welcome the chance for you to put us on the fish!!!
Thanks in advance!
 

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That may be true, but I still fish plenty of places and rivers and most often I am the only one fishing. But maybe you mean on opening day. I once knew a guy who knew the rivers so well, he could tell from a picture exactly where you were and he had been trout fishing the area for at least 2 years.

I can't tell if your a jr. high school student or crafty fisherman since there is nothing in your profile.

Mel, good retort. There are plenty of places to fish and all you have to do is look for those out of the way places of which there are many and it will pay off. By the way as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter where your from.

Good luck!
 

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I think that part if not all of the fun of fishing / hunting is doing your homework and exploring new areas to fish and hunt....who can count the number of hours that we spend looking at maps and researching areas. I don't care that this site dosn't talk about every stream and ditch in michigan and gps cords of the holes and jams shouldn't be posted........they should be PM'd directly to me...:lol:
 

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This topic has been beat to death on countless threads before... I think we all have cabin fever...

It is what it is...

Zob
 

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MP-Steelheader,

If you look at statistics in license sales, hunting and fishing to a lesser extent are decreasing.
welp fred...

i learn me something new everyday here...

good luck if you go fishing:lol: :rolleyes:
 

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Simply mention the place you "hammered" 'em on the internet and there will be a sudden influx of new folks in your fishing spot. There are no real secret spots anymore but the internet sure is a good way to pass good news to alot of people. There may be 13,000 members, but I would hazard a guess that there are double that who read these posts and never register or leave messages. The internet is a giant billboard for all to see.

In other words if you like to meet lots of new people at you local "secret spot" then just mention it on the internet.

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Fred,
Just out of curiousity, where did you get your info for that statement from? While I don't know if the overall number of licenses is decreasing, I do know that the popularity of steelhead/salmon fishing has exploded across the state and neighboring areas (Ontario, Pennsylvania, etc).

Personally, I think there are very few "secret" spots out there, however, if you look hard enough, you might be lucky enough to stumble across one of them. Some creeks and rivers just cannot handle the pressure that is associated with internet posting, whether it be first or second-hand information that is posted.
 

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Fred,
Just out of curiousity, where did you get your info for that statement from? While I don't know if the overall number of licenses is decreasing, I do know that the popularity of steelhead/salmon fishing has exploded across the state


Hmmm? I disagree, I think the fishing sucks so bad the last 6 years that people are giving up. The Platte you can have whatever hole you want when you want. The Betsie isn't nearly as crowded as it used to be. Even Tippy you can find a parking spot and a place to fish.

Lets face it, the 70's and 80's steelhead fishin is long gone, and alot of the fishermen too.

I still rub elbows at Tippy and the Homestead every spring but it's not the same. Even my old surf fishing spots are slow, even with the best spawn.

I still get my fish, but it used to be alot easier.
 

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I guess I can understand the reasons for not posting about certain rivers, I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but it's not my board and I don't make the rules so I will follow the posted rules.

As far as there being more fisherman, I don't think there are any more fisherman out there, but I do think that the people who are out there are more serious about it and fish more often than they used to. Also, you hear more about fishing through boards like this than you ever used to so it might just seem like there more people out there.

Just my 2 cents,
Matt
 

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Here for all your experts - look at this link and then decide if I am right or wrong.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/NRCFAMinMay2005_126950_7.pdf


REVIEW OF DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS - FISHING
Tammy Newcomb, Acting Assistant Chief, Fisheries Division,​
reviewed
demographics, recruitment and retention of Michigan fishers.
From 1999-03, there was a 6 percent decline in fishing license sales. Fishing
license sales peaked in 1987 and have been declining annually with the 22-40
age group declining the most. Restricted species are showing the greatest
decline in sales of approximately 19 percent. Approximately 30 percent of men
ages 25-65 purchase a license, and only 7 percent of women ages 21-60
purchase a license. Participation by anglers 60 and older remains consistent.
Nonresident license sales have declined 10 percent where non-resident-all
species license sales have increased 19 percent. Ninety percent of the licenses
sold are sold in-state.​
Ms. Newcomb​
reviewed items that influence angling participation: quality of the
fishery; weather; economy; competing hobbies; changes in family unit; and
changes in social patterns.
Bill Moritz, Chief, Wildlife Division,​
reviewed demographics, recruitment and
retention of Michigan hunters.
Fewer people are buying the most popular licenses. For example, between 1999
and 2004, 9 percent fewer deer licenses were sold; 12 percent fewer waterfowl
licenses were sold; 35 percent less elk licenses were sold; and 16 percent fewer
small game licenses were sold. Deer hunter participation has remained
consistent among the youngest hunters since 1970. Since 1981, there has been
declining participation in most other age classes and age class 55-64 is
increasing. A need exists to keep hunters interested and involved. For small
game, there has been a declining participation since 1960 among all age
classes.
A 20 year average (1960-79) of hunters shows that 2.4 percent of small game
licenses and 5.9 percent of deer licenses were sold to females. From 2002-04,
3.2 percent of small game licenses and 8.1 percent of deer licenses were sold to
females.​
 
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