... ethics or legal aspect of real time intel.

How is this different from one hunter notifying another hunter about deer activity in real time? When did cell cameras become illegal?

 

Or the method in the elk woods that I am familiar with using radios and communicating where herds are to get hunters in the right spot to shoot one. I've been going over regularly since 2012 and that is very common. I like the first day of the December hunt and every rig has a radio out trying to find animals.

 

Wasn't it forward facing sonar they were using?

 

Did you see the radio program live time? Or recorded?
Was the 7x7 elk on camera realtime on the program , or was it a prior event?

Most importantly , how did the radio program affect your elk hunt on the 23rd?

 

Did you see the radio program live time? Or recorded?
Was the 7x7 elk on camera realtime on the program , or was it a prior event?

Most importantly , how did the radio program affect your elk hunt on the 23rd?

I heard it Sunday then waited till it was posted on You Tube to hear it again. I think he said , got pic then took him 30 mins to get there.Watch it.

 

They let other tag holders know that they just saw a cow/bull in a certain field,and they head over.

 

Next the Hack will want that no current fishing reports be sent by Radio out on the water!

 

A hit dog will holler.

Keep fighting the good fight Hackman.

 

See I'm lost in all this electronic communication...

Pre cell phone I thought it was illegal to use walkie talkies to relay real time game location... Than the cell phone became common place and essentially there was no way to enforce it...

Now with cell cams providing real time relay I wasn't aware that there was a law pertaining to them...

Personally I think cell cams should be illegal during season but that's just my opinion

 

See I'm lost in all this electronic communication...

Pre cell phone I thought it was illegal to use walkie talkies to relay real time game location... Than the cell phone became common place and essentially there was no way to enforce it...

Now with cell cams providing real time relay I wasn't aware that there was a law pertaining to them...

Personally I think cell cams should be illegal during season but that's just my opinion

Boone and crockett agrees.

 

What a great use of a legal tool to help in the taking of a great game animal. Maybe we should also have the police take the radios out of their patrol cars and wait for the red light to go off on the call box. After all we need to give the criminals a fair shake too.

 

I saw a hunting show where I was pretty sure they were using drones to locate bucks bedded in high crop fields and then stalk them from downwind which I believe is illegal in most states.

 

Can you elaborate? Like...what show and what "pretty sure" means? Not doubting you. I would just like to watch it.

 

What am I missing here??

 

What you may or may not be missing is a one man (Hackman) push to have cell cams banded and his obsession about cams on state land. SMH

 

Livescope for hunters lol

 

It’s not like you see a picture and just ran out there and bam. Still takes skill to get to that end point.

 

Takes a hell of a lot less skill though.

 

I haven’t watched or listened yet. 100% legal. That being said sure is a bad look and something I would suggest they avoid. Not good.

 

Guide said he was hunting in Pigeon River area if he had any cell cams on State Land it would be 100% illegal. Read your State Land rules.

 

I'm not a hunter any more but can't come to the conclusion that this would fall into the category of fair chase which is what I thought the entire sport was supposed to be about. Not a single person could convince a logical person that this is not an unfair advantage. There are places you aren't supposed to drive deer either so I don't see a difference really if you push them to someone or call them to let them know the animal is heading their way or just straight up give its coordinates. People are bitching about front facing sonar in fishing making it too easy so how is this different? It's just greedy imo.

 

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The reason you’re able to accept this is because you aren’t a hunter. The hunters are stuck in an addiction right now. The curve of technology is at a point where it’s got too strong of a pull. A few years from now, they’ll realize it was wrong. But we’ve got a ways to go yet.

 

Hunters are their own worst enemy. Might as well invite the anti-hunters on your crusade against cell cameras and whatever else you’re against. What exactly is the point of this post??

 

The turning of Michigans Elk herd into a game farm endeavor.

It always has been.

I'm not a hunter any more but can't come to the conclusion that this would fall into the category of fair chase which is what I thought the entire sport was supposed to be about. Not a single person could convince a logical person that this is not an unfair advantage. There are places you aren't supposed to drive deer either so I don't see a difference really if you push them to someone or call them to let them know the animal is heading their way or just straight up give its coordinates. People are bitching about front facing sonar in fishing making it too easy so how is this different? It's just greedy imo.

No where near as unfair of an advantage that a 300 Win Mag offers.

Michigan deer hunters that use trail cameras, including cellular, are on average 7% more successful. It is also known that this has no harm to our Deer or bear herd and has actually helped in management of the herds.

 

So now you think trail cams are illegal on private too or what exactly is you're point on how Vance scouts and gets elk shot on the property he manages?

And by the way all my cams are still out all over public land with my name and phone number and haven't gotten that call yet that they are illegal

 

Heck DNR should just let "shooters" rent a plane shoot them from air. Ask Vance how many cell cams he runs I am curious?

 

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You got to admit when Hackman puts something on MS about cell cameras, he gets the responses.

 

 

Fair chase (what is ethical, sporting) often comes down to a matter of opinion.

What is legal is another thing, they're not always one and the same. People are supposed to stay legal. There is often a choice to make in what is or isn't considered fair chase.

What's legal, and what's considered fair chase, can change over time. Different areas can have separate rules and norms.

 

Hackman every time someone says leaving cams out on public land is legal.

 

Can you give it a rest now Hackman?

 

That joker has no authority to make such a statement. Just a ignorant of the law civil service employee. I do give him credit for stating they are put out there at risk of owner. Guess he means "finders keepers."

 

Guess he overrides current legislation that's in effect. He is a powerful man .

 

Im not that familiar with public land rules but there should at least be a maximum number of trail cams one can deploy...

I learned in another thread that they scare mature deer and will cause them to leave... If multiple guys are running five six cams on a piece of public the deer will have no where to go except to the neighboring private.

No wonder guys cry there aren't as many deer on public ground as their used to be...

 

...I learned in another thread that they scare mature deer and will cause them to leave...

More bucks than usual on my cams this year.