[kbb3358]

56 and think it is working great. Bigger and better bucks with less does.

 

[Apple Knocker]

The US Government sends both my wife and I a nice check each month, just for making it this long. At a recent family gathering, many folks commented on the fact that we are not too confused after all, and they were relieved. At the bank the other day, something reminded me of a time back in 1969 when me and some guys were deer hunting.Couple of us just got back from Vietnam, and wait a minute, Jimmy was there, and he didn't get back until 1971, so it couldn't have been 1969, and it might have been the grocery store not the bank. Anyway, it was up by Frederick, because they had a titty bar up there. We talked about going after some big ones (deer that is , not titty dancers), but after 4-5 days of camping and freezing, we gave up and didn't shoot anything, not that we really had any chance. Another time.....

 

[bioactive]

Didn't one of the surveys show that by percent, the older were for APR's over the youth? I think I remember one of the biologists even making a comment that it surprised him.

No. Just the opposite. However, the surveys were not powered to have significance for demographic breakdowns, but the raw numbers indicate lower satisfaction overall and lower support among older hunters for APRs.

But you cannot take that to the bank because it was not a defined question in the surveys.

 

[hartman756]

No. Just the opposite. However, the surveys were not powered to have significance for demographic breakdowns, but the raw numbers indicate lower satisfaction overall and lower support among older hunters for APRs.

But you cannot take that to the bank because it was not a defined question in the surveys.

What raw numbers are we talking about?

 

[swampbuck]

No. Just the opposite. However, the surveys were not powered to have significance for demographic breakdowns, but the raw numbers indicate lower satisfaction overall and lower support among older hunters for APRs.



But you cannot take that to the bank because it was not a defined question in the surveys.

I disagree bio. I think Ray is correct. The statement was made by Brent at the higgins lake meeting. Maybe you can share that portion of the video you made.

 

[mikeznewaygo]

Facts and real information must hurt some peoples brains

 

[mikeznewaygo]

Also in your video Bio, the guy at about 30 minutes made me laugh the hardest :lol::lol:

 

[bioactive]

Also in your video Bio, the guy at about 30 minutes made me laugh the hardest :lol::lol:

It is hilarious. He stands up, says that one of the big problems is that small deer will pass on their genetics, resulting in smaller antlers, then cites DNR data that proves that didn't happen, which I happened to have readily available on a slide.

 

[fsutroutbum]

I am one of those older hunters and was not too excited about the APR's as I don't eat antlers. I have a cabin in the APR zone and so if that's the law that's the law. I can try for a doe permit or hunt an area not in the APR. If a guy can't deal with change he may need to look at his attitude. All things change over time. I also fly fish and there are rivers that have restrictions. In my book no difference between APR or gear restrictions.
If we didn't try something different we would continue to get the same thing we always got. I do like the fact that guys will now need to take the time to verify the target before pulling the trigger. I have heard too many times a guy popping of five shots and it makes me feel he needs to go back to the range or give up the sport because he is such a lousy shot. We will see in the next couple years what this experiment will yield. The naysayers will still complain. You can't put information into a closed mind.

 

[Luv2hunteup]

MAPRs would have saved the walker from getting shot at Bald Mountain. Another side benefit.

 

[Waz_51]

I am one of those older hunters and was not too excited about the APR's as I don't eat antlers. I have a cabin in the APR zone and so if that's the law that's the law. I can try for a doe permit or hunt an area not in the APR. If a guy can't deal with change he may need to look at his attitude. All things change over time. I also fly fish and there are rivers that have restrictions. In my book no difference between APR or gear restrictions.
If we didn't try something different we would continue to get the same thing we always got. I do like the fact that guys will now need to take the time to verify the target before pulling the trigger. I have heard too many times a guy popping of five shots and it makes me feel he needs to go back to the range or give up the sport because he is such a lousy shot. We will see in the next couple years what this experiment will yield. The naysayers will still complain. You can't put information into a closed mind.

Fantastic quote... It's nice to see some open mindedness from people who were opposed to begin with instead of the usual negativity... Kudos to you for being an optimist!

 

[buckless yooper]

I think it is sad that a older hunter that maybe his last hunt is told what he has to shoot, due to what I call the selfish hunters regulate, a spike(if that is what someone wants to shoot) has the least impact on the herd other then getting bigger horns(for the selfish hunter)

 

[Droe]

I've been hunting for 45 years and I don't care one way or the other, but my sons and nephews hate it . I'm afraid they are slowly losing there interest in coming to camp and this really concerns me.

 

[bucko12pt]

I think it is sad that a older hunter that maybe his last hunt is told what he has to shoot, due to what I call the selfish hunters regulate, a spike(if that is what someone wants to shoot) has the least impact on the herd other then getting bigger horns(for the selfish hunter)

I certainly agree. There should be no rules and regulations when it comes to deer hunting. We should all be able to shoot as many deer as we want to, whenever we want to, with no restrictions.

We've all been dealing with an APR with our restricted, four on a side tag. Don't hear anyone complaining about that.

 

[buckless yooper]

Let me clarify for the people that might take my comment out of text, there has to rule and regs for everything but people w/power can take it a little to far the other way also

 

[field-n-feathers]

I certainly agree. There should be no rules and regulations when it comes to deer hunting. We should all be able to shoot as many deer as we want to, whenever we want to, with no restrictions.

We've all been dealing with an APR with our restricted, four on a side tag. Don't hear anyone complaining about that.

Yes, of course. And a money back guarantee that you'll get your deer just because you purchased an entitlement tag...errr, deer tag. Sorry, I get those confused these days.

 

[dmrbigeshott]

I think it is sad that a older hunter that maybe his last hunt is told what he has to shoot, due to what I call the selfish hunters regulate, a spike(if that is what someone wants to shoot) has the least impact on the herd other then getting bigger horns(for the selfish hunter)

I've never met or talked to an older (65+) hunter who has come to deer camp and the deal breaker to the entire trip has been getting a deer.

 

[buckless yooper]

I understand that, but what I don't understand is what does it hurt for him to take a smaller buck if that is what he desires, by the way for bucko12pt that restricted license doubles as a doe or button buck license for archery so no complaints

 

[DRHUNTER]

Well this was my 50th deer season but I'm not old.... I love the idea of APR's however I hunt the NEL Tb zone which has been basicly practicing this idea for awhile. As of this year I have passed up 13 bucks on public land that were legal under the old rules and still legal if one purchased the single buck tag. I will be honest and say that I will more than likely stop buying a combo license. I have gone deer less for 6 years in a row now because I refuse to take a doe in an area that has low deer numbers to begin with. I hunted thanksgiving in the club country/Alcona Co. on private land. We met with a few guys that are in the "coalition" in that area that practice 8 point or bigger.They expressed the same feeling I do as to questioning where all the bucks go that we are passing on. I have noticed the same thing on public land that I hunt in Oscoda and Crawford Co's. Every year we see small bucks but the next year we have very few bigger bucks or at least not any more than most of us used to see years ago. I always took and saw large bucks on public land in the late 60's through 90's not anymore. I asked a DNR employee at the check station located at M-65 and M-72 BP gas station Sunday after checking in a 10-12 year old doe my buddy shot where the bucks are going that we let walk. He said they are all nocturnal.....Funny I rarely find any large trees rubbed anymore so not sure about that thought. So maybe he is right but things don't add for me and others. From what I see the camps do tend to shoot any buck they see as they have enough guys hunting in the group that they can take a buck and continue to hunt using an anterless permit and shoot that small buck that wanders buy and put it on one of the other guys buck tag. This method eventually will harvest most of the young bucks in given area. I also notice this practice is not just limited to "old" guys. Therefore I am feeling a little stupid at this point for even buying a combo tag and allowing any legal buck to walk as it in my opinion just gets shot down the ridge by the next guy. I have done my duty attempting to make this system work but it is in my opinion a very flawed system.

 

[bucko12pt]

I understand that, but what I don't understand is what does it hurt for him to take a smaller buck if that is what he desires, by the way for bucko12pt that restricted license doubles as a doe or button buck license for archery so no complaints

True, for you and me that still archery hunt, but aim sure you will agree that we are in the minority in our age group when it comes to still being able/willing to bow hunt.