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Got a massive gripe against a Charter Capt up there this morning. My two oldest boys and some friends booked a trip months ago for this morning. Both work construction and could have worked yesterday and today making OT. Instead they hauled north three hrs yesterday with there travel trailers to camp overnight.

Charter called it off today. The reason? His “spot” is a twelve mile run and he didn’t want to get caught in any storms coming in. 1/2 day charter.

Sorry, but WTF? End of August and he won’t fish other than to run to the Manitou Islands? If he doesn’t want to deal with Frenzy traffic, then he should have been up front at the time of booking and told them if conditions weren’t ideal he was going to cancel. They would have booked with someone willing to take them out short of small craft advisories.

What kind of Charter that fishes out of Frankfort has only one spot? I ran a boat out of there for years, spent thousands of hrs on the water actually, and know that to be successful you have to adapt, especially in August when the flips start happening.

To add insult to injury, my sons grabbed their rods and hit the North break wall last night and watched a couple fish landed in the 1/2 hr they were out there, but they came in to sleep in anticipation for their charter this morning. If the guy would have canceled last night at least they could have fished all night.

Pretty sure the guy knew yesterday he wasn’t going to honor his booked trip for today.
 

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Got a massive gripe against a Charter Capt up there this morning. My two oldest boys and some friends booked a trip months ago for this morning. Both work construction and could have worked yesterday and today making OT. Instead they hauled north three hrs yesterday with there travel trailers to camp overnight.

Charter called it off today. The reason? His “spot” is a twelve mile run and he didn’t want to get caught in any storms coming in. 1/2 day charter.

Sorry, but WTF? End of August and he won’t fish other than to run to the Manitou Islands? If he doesn’t want to deal with Frenzy traffic, then he should have been up front at the time of booking and told them if conditions weren’t ideal he was going to cancel. They would have booked with someone willing to take them out short of small craft advisories.

What kind of Charter that fishes out of Frankfort has only one spot? I ran a boat out of there for years, spent thousands of hrs on the water actually, and know that to be successful you have to adapt, especially in August when the flips start happening.

To add insult to injury, my sons grabbed their rods and hit the North break wall last night and watched a couple fish landed in the 1/2 hr they were out there, but they came in to sleep in anticipation for their charter this morning. If the guy would have canceled last night at least they could have fished all night.

Pretty sure the guy knew yesterday he wasn’t going to honor his booked trip for today.
That's BS. Name drop who it is.
 

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Got a massive gripe against a Charter Capt up there this morning. My two oldest boys and some friends booked a trip months ago for this morning. Both work construction and could have worked yesterday and today making OT. Instead they hauled north three hrs yesterday with there travel trailers to camp overnight.

Charter called it off today. The reason? His “spot” is a twelve mile run and he didn’t want to get caught in any storms coming in. 1/2 day charter.

Sorry, but WTF? End of August and he won’t fish other than to run to the Manitou Islands? If he doesn’t want to deal with Frenzy traffic, then he should have been up front at the time of booking and told them if conditions weren’t ideal he was going to cancel. They would have booked with someone willing to take them out short of small craft advisories.

What kind of Charter that fishes out of Frankfort has only one spot? I ran a boat out of there for years, spent thousands of hrs on the water actually, and know that to be successful you have to adapt, especially in August when the flips start happening.

To add insult to injury, my sons grabbed their rods and hit the North break wall last night and watched a couple fish landed in the 1/2 hr they were out there, but they came in to sleep in anticipation for their charter this morning. If the guy would have canceled last night at least they could have fished all night.

Pretty sure the guy knew yesterday he wasn’t going to honor his booked trip for today.
If its any condolance it sounds like his spot was 6 mile hole and he was going to get them a few lakers.
 

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Anderson. Boat name “Duster”.
Well it's one thing to be upset but as a charter captain myself it us up to the captain to decide if it's safe and enjoyable for the client. There were small craft advisories and weather called for it to build. Just because you put some money up does not make the choice yours!!! The cost of the boat fishing equipment and the rest we just don't cancel trips we have bills to pay!! The other reason is damage to the boat and other things that occur is picked by the captian not the few hundred the client pays!! This is the other side of the story you forgot to mention.
 

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Well it's one thing to be upset but as a charter captain myself it us up to the captain to decide if it's safe and enjoyable for the client. There were small craft advisories and weather called for it to build. Just because you put some money up does not make the choice yours!!! The cost of the boat fishing equipment and the rest we just don't cancel trips we have bills to pay!! The other reason is damage to the boat and other things that occur is picked by the captian not the few hundred the client pays!! This is the other side of the story you forgot to mention.
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Well it's one thing to be upset but as a charter captain myself it us up to the captain to decide if it's safe and enjoyable for the client. There were small craft advisories and weather called for it to build. Just because you put some money up does not make the choice yours!!! The cost of the boat fishing equipment and the rest we just don't cancel trips we have bills to pay!! The other reason is damage to the boat and other things that occur is picked by the captian not the few hundred the client pays!! This is the other side of the story you forgot to mention.
No. There wasn’t a small craft advisory this morning. And the forecast was for afternoon storms, hours after the charter was supposed to end.

When every other charter boat is leaving the marina with clients, and your captain, who you had to call multiple times that morning because it was 1/2 hr beyond scheduled departure time, says it’s potentially too rough for a twelve mile run, that’s a bit questionable.

I’ve been around the salmon game my whole life, so I do understand the whole “my vessel, my rules” as it comes to charter boats. I have no problem with that as long as the Captain is very upfront about what his determination of “too rough to go” is right upfront when he takes the deposit. Allow the clients to choose the charter that meets their own expectations or is at least totally transparent over canceling the trip.
 

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Hmmm…. Anyone hehow the tournament went.

It was pretty cool to see all those boats waiting to launch as we were on fish.

2-2 morning bite 655 to 730am or until our spot got trawled over by 10 tourney boats and fish shut down. Pocket of cool water half mile out, sharp break at 48 ft down, 48- 60 fow.
The tournament went well. There was a 34# fish taken out of East Platte Bay on Sunday. I personally think the date needs to be moved back 2-3 weeks if not more. The amount of full boxes hasn’t been that high the last couple years. A lot of fish have moved into the river system. The Founders cup winner for the season was a Dad with his son and daughter. They only fish the 3 of them on a 25’ center console. They did all but 2 of the tournaments. Pretty awesome story. That’s who I want to see win (besides our team of course)!
No small craft advisory and plenty of small boats out on Sunday. The charter has every right not to fish, but they should be honest about the reasons. The customer also has every right to give a online review as well. Good, honest communication can almost always keep things pointed in the right direction.
 

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The tournament went well. There was a 34# fish taken out of East Platte Bay on Sunday. I personally think the date needs to be moved back 2-3 weeks if not more. The amount of full boxes hasn’t been that high the last couple years. A lot of fish have moved into the river system. The Founders cup winner for the season was a Dad with his son and daughter. They only fish the 3 of them on a 25’ center console. They did all but 2 of the tournaments. Pretty awesome story. That’s who I want to see win (besides our team of course)!
No small craft advisory and plenty of small boats out on Sunday. The charter has every right not to fish, but they should be honest about the reasons. The customer also has every right to give a online review as well. Good, honest communication can almost always keep things pointed in the right direction.
Its awesome Lakavea won it and not a big pro boat.
 

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Guessing it was too rough for most to get out. Buoy says 3 footers right now so it's probably closer to 6's
My experience has been that the buoy numbers seem much more mild than what my eyes see when I go out, based on your comment, it may be I'm not the only one. Anyone else think the buoy is a gross under-rating of conditions, 2X?
 

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My experience has been that the buoy numbers seem much more mild than what my eyes see when I go out, based on your comment, it may be I'm not the only one. Anyone else think the buoy is a gross under-rating of conditions, 2X?
Correct. Because it doesn't measure the full wave essentily. Anything over a foot I basically double it. So when it says 1.5ft it's most likely 1.5ft with 3s mixed in
 

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My experience has been that the buoy numbers seem much more mild than what my eyes see when I go out, based on your comment, it may be I'm not the only one. Anyone else think the buoy is a gross under-rating of conditions, 2X?
Screw wave height! If you see it's been blowing 20+ for 2 days from the same direction....
 

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This is gonna sound really nerdy, but I’m thinking regarding the buoy is that it is reporting wave amplitude, rather than the height from crest to trough? That’s my only guess from what I remember from physics because everytime I’m out it seems like the waves are about exactly double what the buoy says.
 
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