[SEMichiiganConservation]

There is always a knife. Don't forget, they're just as deadly lmao

Many governments have knife control.

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

I think with enough data, it can be proven. Just like anything else.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[LGB]

There is always a knife. Don't forget, they're just as deadly lmao

Hope it's not the ONLY choice someday.

 

[sureshot006]

Hope it's not the ONLY choice someday.

Its just irritating to me when guys like us that want to be able to safely use firearms go talking about how if there were no guns they'll just use knives or whatever such logic. It makes us look... dumb.

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

Selling, buying and carrying knives and weapons

The laws on selling, buying and carrying a knife or weapon depend on the type of knife or weapon, your age and your circumstances.

www.gov.uk

 

[LGB]

Optimistically speaking, I do not believe the government will disarm the country. They've been trying for as long as I can remember. Never made much progress mag capacities sure. Maybe ARs will face some restrictions but even when administrations come and go, these laws will change. Elections do have consequences and when our rights are really in jeopardy, things the pendulum swings back. I think having this conversation is cool but I'm not in the place where the sky is really falling.

 

[LGB]

Its just irritating to me when guys like us that want to be able to safely use firearms go talking about how if there were no guns they'll just use knives or whatever such logic. It makes us look... dumb.

Ya I feel pretty dumb thinking about it. Imagine how I feel putting it to print. Sounds extreme but I just believe anything can happen. I just believe it wont

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

The Weimar Republic introduced knife control in 1930

 

[sureshot006]

The Weimar Republic introduced knife control in 1930

I'm not saying that's what is needed. I'm saying the whole idea that they'll just use something else and it'll be just as bad is false. Yes there would still be homicides but the magnitude and ease is less.

The difficulty I think is logic vs emotion. It's frustrating as hell for the folks who will never harm anyone.

 

[RHRoss]

Absolutely which is why there is no specific data to this point.

They don’t want you to know that specific data, which I’m sure they have.

 

[brewster]

Yeah I'm saying if you're unarmed they're more likely to take items and not your life. Now if you want to take the higher risk, that's a choice you have. For sure, lots of folks choose more risk when it comes to their health.

Except for the ones that aren't there to take items, do you ask at the door and then get a weapon?

 

[sureshot006]

Except for the ones that aren't there to take items, do you ask at the door and then get a weapon?

Just telling you one of these scenarios leaves more alive. The other costs are up for opinion.

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

I'm not saying that's what is needed. I'm saying the whole idea that they'll just use something else and it'll be just as bad is false. Yes there would still be homicides but the magnitude and ease is less.

The difficulty I think is logic vs emotion. It's frustrating as hell for the folks who will never harm anyone.

Governments, through out history, have used control of weapons as a means of oppressing those they rule.
A government that does not trust it's people cannot be trusted.

 

[sureshot006]

Governments, through out history, have used control of weapons as a means of oppressing those they rule.
A government that does not trust it's people cannot be trusted.

Do you trust its people? I mean seriously. Can't even trust them to not show half of their ass when they have a damn belt on!

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

Do you trust its people? I mean seriously. Can't even trust them to not show half of their ass when they have a damn belt on!

The over whelming number of people can be trusted. The over whelming number who own firearms can be trusted.

 

[sureshot006]

The over whelming number of people can be trusted. The over whelming number who own firearms can be trusted.

Yeah the overwhelming majority are not the reason for this thread. It's the thugs and young white kids shooting up schools because their parents suck.

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

Yeah the overwhelming majority are not the reason for this thread. It's the thugs and young white kids shooting up schools because their parents suck.

Then deal with that problem. These laws will not solve that and they are not intended to solve it. It is aimed only at those who don't cause these problems. Those who wish to do harm have always, and will always, find a way to do so.

 

[LGB]

Just telling you one of these scenarios leaves more alive. The other costs are up for opinion.

Probably gonna regret this but if you have any data to support this, please post it.
Again, I do not for one second believe that a good guy with a gun adds up to more good guys getting shot than bad guys. I'm sure there are numbers shot but it's the minority. I also believe good guys using guns in personal defense scenarios create more people getting shot overall. Maybe that overall number is what's used

 

[brewster]

Just telling you one of these scenarios leaves more alive. The other costs are up for opinion.

Sadly, you don't get to pick your scenarios.

I'd rather defend my family and have them alive than be unarmed and they are raped or beaten or dead.

 

[SEMichiiganConservation]

Sadly, you don't get to pick your scenarios.

I'd rather defend my family and have them alive than be unarmed and they are raped or beaten or dead.

I agree. Some chance is better than no chance.