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I need to know where when and how to fish pike to they like the shallow or deep or rocks... out west here their is a lake that had some illegally introduced Pike into it and now they are starting to get some size to them and i would love to know how to catch them so please post some replys

Help.....Lost on Pikes in Arizona
 

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Try fishing drop offs of any depth, any change in water depth creates cover or ambush areas. Pike will also suspend in big water out in the deep areas. They may only be 15 feet down over 40 feet of water.
Use your electric motor or just let the wind push you across the water. Cast large spinners or spoons that mimic the local bait fish in size and color. Don't be afraid to cast really large lures, BIG fish will attack something 1/2 their size. Make sure you use good line and have your drag set right.
Make sure it is a smooth drag too.
Mark areas where you catch fish, they will produce big fish time after time.
Send me a plane ticket for some hands on fishing tips. :)
 

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How far are you from Las Vegas? I'll be there in December. (after most of the hunting season is over here!!) anyway, trout had some really good advice, the only thing I could ad to that is casting along the edge of deep weed lines. That has always produced for me. And oh yeah...Make sure you use a leader. Those pike have razor sharp teeth.
 

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as a rule big pike like cold water small pike will stay shallow all year. edges of drop offs and weed lines are good places to start. troll crankbaits that will get you about half way to the bottom or above suspended fish. pike have their eyes on top of their heads so looking up is how they see prey.keep your baits above them and you will score. I use rapalas, rebels, and many other cranks and spoons, spinners and plastics. for some more info visit my web site at http:www.homestead.com/Kingfisherguides/Kingfisherguides.html hope this helps Kingfisher
 

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Pike in Arizona? Could be a first, Document it and see what the local authorities have to say. Could get your name mentioned in the local papers..Canadian water wolfs, south of the border style...Is there trout in those waters? If so use trout imitating lures and colors...Big Rapalas, Spoons, Mepps, and my favorite, Sluggo's. TIP: take a shad colored sluggo and wipe Smelly Jelly down both sides of it, This gives it a pink stripe and scent (can you say Baby Rainbow?)
 

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I would like to thank you all for your replies I will try all of them out....

To crash about Pike in Southern AZ It was a mix-up they where going to stock 2000 trout fingerlings in the lake they goofed it and put 2000 Pike fingerlings in. about a year went by some people where talkin what I thought where just fish tales "I caught a Pike out of there" and so on.... but to get to the point they are tearing apart the trout
Bass, Sunfish and even some big cats...
Game and Fish doen't know what to do because they thought they would die off in the summer
But they seem to like the warm water and they are growing very fast with plenty of food.... but thanks again to all that posted
replies... I say hell if Pike can live in that warm water let them live and turn that lake in to a pike lake...
 

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Hhhmmmm... Are you sure they are Pike? Muskies are better adaptive to warmer climits. Could be Tigers in there...
Very interesting though...let us know how it goes...
 

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I've NEVER heard of a lake being intentionally STOCKED with a predator fish as voracious as pike or musky.... Is it even LOGICAL that the "Game and Fish" (I'm assuming that's what you call the DNR in AZ) would even POSESS fish like this to stock? Has anyone ever heard of the MI DNR actually STOCKING a lake with these types of predators? It just doesn't make sense to me.... Seems like if you have an overpopulation of species that are lower on the food chain, you'd loosen regulations on limits for fisherman, not stock the water with predators....

Funny that you mentioned the stocking goof, though... I've heard rumors that the DNR was in the Traverse City, MI area with a truckfull of 250,000 walleye to spread around the area. I heard that the aireator on the truck went, and, instead of losing the whole bunch, decided to dump them into Long Lake... Lucky me :)...........
 

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Muskie stocking has been around for a long time and has been picking up pace latly. Talk to Kingfisher, as his Muskie club is taking up the charge to get the program going in Michigan. Turns out that Muskie don't empty a lake of all other fish like Pike do, so stocking Muskies usually has no effect on the other species. The body of water must meet a very high standard of qualification to make it into the stocking program.

Pike, I personally have only heard of these being stocked when a lake has been drained or killed off and Pike where going to be the main preditor. But yes some people take it upon themselves to illegally stock Pike, This is usually a very bad idea as these fish can quickly get out of hand. Thats why I asked if the Arizona fish where actually Muskies, because of all the stocking going on nation wide, it would make more sence. Plus Muskies can adapt to a warmer climite better the Pike, and their growth rates are much higher.

What a rude awakening for those trout though...
 

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Michigan has been stocking muskies and Tiger muskies for about 30 yrs. THe truth is that all other game fish that are below the muskie on the food chain benifit from thier presence. THe Detroit river is the best example. millions of walleyes and thousands of muskies. You see the predators eat the trash fish that compete with the walleyes and perch and other smaller gamefish. That allows the other gamefish to experience tremendous growth in shorter periods of time. THe fact is the biggest walleyes are found where the biggest predators are.There are countless articles in Infisherman and N.A.F.C.magazine to back this up. Take out the predators and the rest stunt.Sure they will eat a few sport fish and the percentage is less than 2% of their diet Kingfisher
 

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I have seem to have brought alot of attention to pikes in AZ so I thought I should find out what exactly happened how those pikes got in there.
I had said that it was a goofed atempt by game and fish to put trout fingerlings in but it seems that it was a group of people over some period of time dumping there live wells of pike in the lake.

Now here is some of the paper work I have found on Pikes in this lake......

Reproduction of Northern Pike Confirmed at
Parker Canyon Lake!
Don Mitchell
Fisheries Specialist, Region V
In the summer of 1997 Arizona Game and Fish Department (AGFD) identified the first northern pike caught by anglers at Parker Canyon Lake.
AGFD personnel hoped that it would be the only one to ever show up from at this lake southwest of Sierra Vista.
Unfortunately, as time has passed anglers at the lake have caught more pike. In the summer of 1998 the Department began to get reports of small northern pike chasing schools of smaller fish in the shallows along the shore. Due to extremely low water levels and the unusable condition of the boat ramp the Department was unable to survey fish populations until September of 1998. During this fish survey a total of three juvenile northern pike were sampled. These fish had an average length of 12 inches and it was estimated that they were approximately one year old. With the sampling of these fish the Departments worst fears were coming true. The illegal introduction had provided the right combination for these fish to reproduce within the lake. Department personnel continue to monitor the pike expansion within the lake
. Northern pike have been both legally and illegally introduced throughout much of the United States and have greatly expanded their home range.
Northern pike in the northeast typically spawn in March and April as the ice begins to melt off of frozen lakes and the water temperatures begin to warm into the mid-forties. At Parker Canyon Lake, pike may spawn as early as the middle of January when water temperatures reach the mid-forties.

Now this study was done last year in Oct In a more recent study found a 12lb pike with a
13 inch trout in its stomach.

This lake produces very large sunfish and is stocked though out the year with trout I'm wondering how much longer AZGF are going to keep stocking this lake with food for these pikes.... but for me I can't wait to catch my first northern pike and I will give y'all a report on how it went I'm leaving for the lake in a couples hours
 

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Ok, what about this senario. A trout stream with only trout and creek chubs in it. Will these two balance themselves out, or will the chubs always eventually out-compete the trout leading to their demise? I've been told that the trout will actually eat the chubs, which I believe when you look at a 12 inch range trout and a smaller chub, but when I catch a 10-12 inch chub I find this hard to believe. I believe that a chub this size is only taking up good habitat that could otherwise be occupied by a trout. Isn't the best thing to do with a fish like that to throw it up on the bank.
 

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But how many of those chubs make it to 12"? Not many, no matter how many offspring are produced the survival triangle is still going to exist and 12" will be rare. Throwing them on the bank isn't going to do anything but attract land preditors to your stream. Trout and chubs have co-existed longer then any of us have been around. Theres no way you can get rid of them, you have to rely on the trout to control them. If you take to many trout, then your in trouble...

Witch ties back into the Pike problem, Alaska is having the same problem with Pike invading there prized Salmon streams and eating all of the smolts. The only thing that has reduced the numbers of pike was targeting the smaller fish instead of the big ones. Big pike love to eat small pike and when the anglers took all of the big pike out the small ones flourished and ate everything.

Pike in Arizona, huh? go figure....Target the smaller ones and let the big ones eat the smaller ones out. Get the DNR to stop putting trout in there because they're just feeding the slimers.
 

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One more fishing tip, in the early spring, take a large jig, put on a 4 or 5 inch mr twister tail, and vertically jig it at the bottom near old weed lines. Use a stiff rod and good line. Make sure you use a wire leader. I have a friend that is a trophy musky and pike guy, he showed me this method and it works very well. Sometimes instead of the twister tail, a medium size minnow works better. Good luck.
 

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THe problem in your case is Pike in a trout lake . no problem really just add a forage that willkeep the pike off the faster trout. It is done all the time. If a lake has onley trout in it you should never ad an esox with out adding carp or suckers. I have a trout lake near my home in Michigan. they have a problem that can be solved by a few tiger Muskies.Tiger muskies are steril and dont reproduce so adding them for trash control is a good thing. The lake is called Browns pond in Montague Mich. every 5 yrs or so the pond is poisoned off and planted with Brook Trout but the same thing happens every time. The lake is over run by rainbow suckers inside of a few years. THe brookies never reach trophy size and are eventually fished out leaving several million rainbow suckers. IN canada brook trout and pike live in harmony and have for many years. The fact that the suckers compete with the trout and are not kept when caught leads to thier overpopulating the pond. THe answer? plant some Tiger muskie to keep the sucker population down and the trout will flourish.sure the Muskies will eat a few trout but the trade is well worth it. Has anyone noticed how the population of trash fish in most Michigan lakes is at an all time high? There are carp and sheepshead everywhere along with giant shad and suckers. Carp are growing to record sizes. We have a predator shortage and need to re establish muskies in our warm water lakes to balance the ecosystems. Here is a good example. take a lake with 100 sheephead and 100 walleyes and go fish it after 2 yrs what will remain? you will eat the walleyes and throw the sheephead back. they will reproduce fast and in a couple of years will be the onley fish left. WE need top line Predators. Kingfisher
 

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Bassman,

I have caught many pike on a floating Rapala, in shad color. Size 5 or 7 are good for starters, and fish up to 24". Bigger lures will get the bigger fish. I think pike can handle warm water easily, as the lake I fish is pretty warm. Pike like weedlines, kind of similar habitat as largemouth bass. Good luck. Don't forget gloves when you are unhooking those gators! You'll come back with a big gash in your hand from the sharp teeth if you don't!
 

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Well you can try this one, golden shiner, 25lb dacron line, and a tip-up throu the ice. A killer tactic, well I guess not, just kidding. Rapalas, Spinners, Daredevils, and my alltime favorite silver kwikfish. I would say the silver kwikfish would be a good choice, seeing that's a trout lake. Fish them near weeedbeds, and points. Good luck. Baydog
 
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