bdltree mentions red cedars often, why is that i rarely read of anyone else on the forum planting these? seems like they are a good tree that wont get too overgrown, just wondering what the drawback may be.
Red cedars seem to love the heavy clay ground here in Iowa although they may do well on lighter soils. I think folks in MI and WI are just used to planting norway and white spruce and both of those do well on light sandy soils.bdltree mentions red cedars often, why is that i rarely read of anyone else on the forum planting these? seems like they are a good tree that wont get too overgrown, just wondering what the drawback may be.
There are several train's of thought on creating individual beds for deer that include "tying" trees down to create over head cover, attempting to create "buck" and "doe" beds. The controversy often leads to arguments and name bashing which is completely counterproductive to helping others learn how to enhance their habitat.
Many other people do get deer to lay under overhead cover, but not through "inadvertent" activities. You actually have to apply a series of properly performed, well thought out techniques to do it successfully. I have enormous amounts of bedding activity underneath the overhead cover of hinged trees, and have seen the same on numerous other properties. And that ain't bragging because I didn't figure out how to do it and probably never would have by just cutting trees on my own. I paid to find out how to do it from someone who spent about 20 years figuring out how to do it successfully. And it works. You can not only get them to lay under the cover, but you can get them to lay facing in whatever direction you choose. And you can decide whether it will be a buck using it or a doe family.Suffice it to say that after years of hinging trees I have inadvertently created all types of "overhead' cover from 3-4' to 10-15' above the ground but thus far I have not found deer using those types of situations.
Lets see some pics If its working like you say. I'm not exactly saying that there is no truth to making a Buck bed but I'm more of a believer in making an all around mess with good exits and other things that are crutial to deer beds an letting him pic where he calls home, reguardless if there is a boss living on your land and he decides he wants to lay claim to a spot he's gonna do it weather its a doe bedding area or one of your "famed" Buck beds...Argument and name bashing are not good, and I hope they do not come into this thread. But I must respond to something you said:
Many other people do get deer to lay under overhead cover, but not through "inadvertent" activities. You actually have to apply a series of properly performed, well thought out techniques to do it successfully. I have enormous amounts of bedding activity underneath the overhead cover of hinged trees, and have seen the same on numerous other properties. And that ain't bragging because I didn't figure out how to do it and probably never would have by just cutting trees on my own. I paid to find out how to do it from someone who spent about 20 years figuring out how to do it successfully. And it works. You can not only get them to lay under the cover, but you can get them to lay facing in whatever direction you choose. And you can decide whether it will be a buck using it or a doe family.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but I want folks to know that even though you haven't been successful getting deer to lay under overhead cover that you created, they can, and so can you, using apporpirate techniques.
This is a critical thing to point out. This time of year is OK for figuring out how deer like to bed when it is cold, there is snow on the ground, and food is less available, but it is not a good time of year to figure out where the deer are going to be bedding during hunting season. There are bedding areas on my property right now that are in spots that are virtually never used by deer in hunting season.Another thing to note is that if deer are unmolested then they may not require as thick of habitat as those that endure constant harassment and those type of things vary widely among landowners.
You cannot always be certain that an individual bed is a buck bed. But if there are massive tracks leading to it, it is used regularly during hunting season by a lone deer when there is great pressure (you can tell that by looking at how much hair is matted in the area at the end of the season), it smells like the Detroit Lions locker room after a game, is in an isolated area of cover, has massive sized scat (grown-up males crap big) a short distance away on the trail in and out, has nearby rubs, (choose any two of the above:lolWhile there is much hoopla about creating a "buck bed" from time to time, actual proof that it has been used by a buck would be nearly impossible unless one has a trail cam focused on the bed. I frequently notice lone does bedded alone so a single bed does not signify for certain that it is being used by a buck.
Just realize that these deer are very possibly not going to be using those areas during hunting season if you are finding their spots now. This technique is great if you actually go in the first week after hunting season ends, because they may still be using their pressured bedding areas.Enjoy a late winter hike on a sunny day and find out what habitat is being used or unused and why? If they are not bedding on your land are they coming there to feed and returning to a neighboring bedding area...is so what is different.
Very good advice.Use Google Earth or some such to "see" what the neighbors have that you don't and sometimes it may just be a larger more protective atmosphere with the same habitat....![]()
by no means an expert, but in that we don't have any red cedar trees, (that i've seen) growing naturally on ours, or on surrounding property, (i wonder around sometimes), i've been reluctant to plant them for risk of encouraging a cedar rust plague on all of our resident apple trees. I would love to start some from all the positive press they've been getting. I felt that norways were a reasonable alternative though, without the risk of the cedar rust. Of course i also planted 25 douglas firs last spring and as it was pointed out to me recently, have completed the potential life cycle of cooley spruce gall on all of our existing blue spruce. I guess the moral of that story is think, research and read your forums, before you make any drastic changes or purchases. More than likely somebody here has already been there, done that...bdltree mentions red cedars often, why is that i rarely read of anyone else on the forum planting these? Seems like they are a good tree that wont get too overgrown, just wondering what the drawback may be.
I have not worked with spruce but your idea may indeed work well and perhaps others may have thoughts on working with conifers in this manner also.I have some a few huge spruce mixed in with medium sized cedars. I was thinking of dropping one or two big spruce, then removing every second branch of the tree to create a "cubby" for the deer to bed. My question is "Would this be a really good idea in this situation or would it be better to drop a few smaller ones into an "X" pattern?"
A little Scoutguard or Bushnell will last nearly a year with lithium batteries and easily take 4000-6000 pics...mounted with a pivotal cam mount they can easily be kept up out view of deer...if one really would like to know...the truth with out bothering the area.a camera there is counter-productive
I don't think you'll see much branching other then the at the current crown height Jim, younger trees will gladly "stretch" out but older trees I would expect them to just "reach for the sky"...Will some of the more mature ones branch out or will they just develop at the current crown height?