It is considered bait, so the same rules apply. Can only place out between Oct 1 and Jan 1, unless within 100 yards of a dwelling..then it is considered recreational viewing.

 

It is considered bait, so the same rules apply. Can only place out between Oct 1 and Jan 1, unless within 100 yards of a dwelling..then it is considered recreational viewing.

Exactly! And a maximum of two gallons, spread 10x10'. Blocks don't need to be chopped up and spread though.

Unless you're in the TB zone, no baiting or feeding allowed.

 

If you put out your Lucky Buck or a salt block on or before Jan 1st they are legal and you can have as many as you like on your property.....one per hunting site is the rule I believe. You have 30 bow stands, 30 minerals stations are legal.
Placed after Jan 1st, illegal. How anyone would know when it was placed on the ground, I have no idea.

As stated, within a 100 yds of your residence they are legal all year long. Over 100 yds. legal only during the hunting season. Your huntin/fishing cabin is not your residence so legal only during hunting season.

Makes a lot of sense doesn't it ?

L & O

 

Ok thanks guys !! That is what i read online on the dnr site but if was from the 2011 guide because the 2012 was not on there.

 

If you put out your Lucky Buck or a salt block on or before Jan 1st they are legal and you can have as many as you like on your property.....one per hunting site is the rule I believe. You have 30 bow stands, 30 minerals stations are legal.
Placed after Jan 1st, illegal. How anyone would know when it was placed on the ground, I have no idea.

As stated, within a 100 yds of your residence they are legal all year long. Over 100 yds. legal only during the hunting season. Your huntin/fishing cabin is not your residence so legal only during hunting season.

Makes a lot of sense doesn't it ?

L & O

This is not true. A cabin or cottage is a residence so it is legal. If you have a trailer or a tent on the property, this is not considered a residence.

 

This is not true. A cabin or cottage is a residence so it is legal........

Maybe you are correct, but as I recall the CO on this site said that you had to live at the cabin/cottage/home. If your address is not at that location, then it is not considered your full time residence.

L & O

 

Maybe you are correct, but as I recall the CO on this site said that you had to live at the cabin/cottage/home. If your address is not at that location, then it is not considered your full time residence.

L & O

"(a) The feed is placed not more than 100 yards from a residence of the person and upon land owned or possessed by that person."

What is a residence?

"Residence" shall have the same meaning as defined by section 40103 of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.40103.

Which reads:

(8) “Residence” means a permanent building serving as a temporary or permanent home. Residence may include a cottage, cabin, or mobile home, but does not include a structure designed primarily for taking game, a tree blind, a tent, a recreational or other vehicle, or a camper.

 

If you put out your Lucky Buck or a salt block on or before Jan 1st they are legal and you can have as many as you like on your property
L & O

Where did you find that info? The law states:

(5) In remaining portions of Michigan not described in subsection (4), a person may engage in baiting
only if all of the following conditions apply:
(a) The baiting occurs only from October 1 to January 1.
(b) The bait material may be of any food type.
(c) The bait is scattered directly on the ground by any means, including mechanical spin-cast feeders,
provided that the spin-cast feeder does not distribute on the ground more than the maximum volume
allowed as described in subdivision (d) of this subsection. "Scattered" means that the bait is dispersed or
thrown over a minimum of a 10-foot by 10-foot or equivalent area so that individual pieces of bait are

separated and not placed in piles. The purpose of scattering is to mimic natural feeding conditions.

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From that I would gather anything described as bait would have to be removed after January 1st. Says nothing about placing it prior to that date.

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Where did you find that info?
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From a CO on this site. Search the Legal forum.
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From that I would gather anything described as bait would have to be removed after January 1st.
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Why would you think that ?

EDIT: Oops. My 1st reply is in the colored box with your questions.

L & O

 

Hmmm, not trying to disagree with that CO, but I'm not positive he or she was correct. I'd like to see why and how they stated that, perhaps that is how the CO's were informed to enforce the law. I'll search for that thread.

The reason I think that is because it's stated in the law. Baiting from October first to January 1st. At which point the baiting would have to be discontinued. I understand that in alot of mineral sites there isn't much removeable mineral left, but I would believe what is left would have to be removed according to the way that law is written. Would you necessarily recieve a ticket for it? I don't know.

 

Hmmm, not trying to disagree with that CO, but I'm not positive he or she was correct. I'd like to see why and how they stated that, perhaps that is how the CO's were informed to enforce the law. I'll search for that thread.

The reason I think that is because it's stated in the law. Baiting from October first to January 1st. At which point the baiting would have to be discontinued. I understand that in alot of mineral sites there isn't much removeable mineral left, but I would believe what is left would have to be removed according to the way that law is written. Would you necessarily recieve a ticket for it? I don't know.

Interesting, so if a guy came up north from the lower during Xmas/new years break and put out some bait, is it the baiters responsibility to remove all bait from the site after new years day?

 

Its all going to be at the discretion of each individual CO. Every CO has a different look at things and will ticket accordingly to their take on the situation.

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Soils are deficient in certain minerals. The vegetation growing on these soils is also deficient so the animals consuming the deficient foodstuff that grows on deficient soils are affected. As a practicing veterinarian here in N. E. Michigan I have observed quite a bit of mineral deficiency in cattle. Cobalt deficient calves has been remedied by adding trace amounts to milk replacers and mineral mix. Adding bone meal to mineral mix helps prevent calcium defiency (milk fever) in our dairy cattle.Pastured cattle poisoning, lead, arsenic, was common.Licking old batteries, consuming bags of potato bug spray, due to mineral deficiencies in their rations.
Why do we still have bovine TB HERE, WHEN MOST OF MICHIGAN IS TB FREE ? CAN IT BE THAT OUR ANIMALS IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE IMPAIRED DUE TO MINERAL DEFICIENCY?

 

WHEN MOST OF MICHIGAN IS TB FREE ? CAN IT BE THAT OUR ANIMALS IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE IMPAIRED DUE TO MINERAL DEFICIENCY?

I've been saying that for many years.
It's likely that more than one factor that brings on problems such as this. Mineral deficiency, lack of good food sources, hard winters, and maybe one or two other things.
It all adds up to stress which plays havoc with immune systems. This could be what leaves them vulnerable.
We won't know until it gets addressed.
In the mean time....Antler point restrictions are the current "scientific" logic being used. Along with depriving the animals of what they need for healthy immune systems.(minerals)

Edited for spelling error (healthy)

 

Minerals... It does a body good...

I found best spring results when dumped in the fall

 

Soils are deficient in certain minerals. The vegetation growing on these soils is also deficient so the animals consuming the deficient foodstuff that grows on deficient soils are affected. As a practicing veterinarian here in N. E. Michigan I have observed quite a bit of mineral deficiency in cattle. Cobalt deficient calves has been remedied by adding trace amounts to milk replacers and mineral mix. Adding bone meal to mineral mix helps prevent calcium defiency (milk fever) in our dairy cattle.Pastured cattle poisoning, lead, arsenic, was common.Licking old batteries, consuming bags of potato bug spray, due to mineral deficiencies in their rations.
Why do we still have bovine TB HERE, WHEN MOST OF MICHIGAN IS TB FREE ? CAN IT BE THAT OUR ANIMALS IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE IMPAIRED DUE TO MINERAL DEFICIENCY?

Very interesting comment about TB and a mineral deficiency. Being a vet, what would you think about allowing only mineral blocks and food plots that are well maintained to give the minerals they need. Do you think this could give the deer the nutrition they need to help fend off TB?

 

Interesting, so if a guy came up north from the lower during Xmas/new years break and put out some bait, is it the baiters responsibility to remove all bait from the site after new years day?

Yep, and the landowners according to law. Now of course I'm not saying you should be or would be cited in these instances, I'm simply stating the letter of the law. CO's have discretion as well as prosecutors when it comes down to it, but letter of the law would make it a violation. Nor am I saying I fully agree with everything btw, just trying to stay within the law and ensure the wrong info isn't spread.

 

Hmmm, not trying to disagree with that CO, but I'm not positive he or she was correct. I'd like to see why and how they stated that, perhaps that is how the CO's were informed to enforce the law. I'll search for that thread.

The reason I think that is because it's stated in the law. Baiting from October first to January 1st. At which point the baiting would have to be discontinued. ..........

No where does it say that anything remaining on the ground starting Jan. 2nd needs to be picked up. You're saying that. The rule states that baiting is allowed from 10/-1/1. If you are not placing anything new on the ground after Jan 1st, in my opinion you are following the law.

L & O

 

The law says Baiting can only occur FROM October 1st TO January 1st. Where do you get that it has anything to do with when you are placing? Makes sense that bait out after January 1st would be baiting occurring after it is legally allowed. I guess we're both interpreting it differently, but I guess I don't understand where you get your interpretation. Not trying to be rude, I'd like a solid answer as well. But, according to what I'm reading baiting would not be allowed to occur after January 1st. Leaving bait out on the ground would be "baiting occurring".

 

........ Leaving bait out on the ground would be "baiting occurring".

'For the purposes of this section, "baiting" means to place, deposit, tend, distribute, or scatter bait to aid in
the taking of a deer.'

I disagree, from the DNR rules above, baiting means.......to aid in the taking of a deer.
Since the season is over on Jan 1st. there is no hunting allowed and no should be trying to "take a deer".
A person who is doing recreational feeding more than 100 yds from their house is breaking that rule. If they are not hunting that spot they are not baiting, but feeding.

L & O

 

'For the purposes of this section, "baiting" means to place, deposit, tend, distribute, or scatter bait to aid in
the taking of a deer.'

I disagree, from the DNR rules above, baiting means.......to aid in the taking of a deer.
Since the season is over on Jan 1st. there is no hunting allowed and no should be trying to "take a deer".
A person who is doing recreational feeding more than 100 yds from their house is breaking that rule. If they are not hunting that spot they are not baiting, but feeding.

L & O

You could construe keeping bait/feed there year around as aiding in taking of a deer as trying to keep them there for the next season. But, I'll stand corrected as that is stretching it. By leaving bait out after January 1st you are then in violation of the 100 yard rule of "feeding". Either way it's illegal.

 

Deerkiller11, do yourself a favor and ask your local CO directly and document what he or she say's or stop by your local ranger station, asking to interpret the law on this forum can cause more confusion then clarity most times. violations are written by your local CO not members like me here on this forum.

 

....... Either way it's illegal.

That's your opinion. You came to that conclusion because you think that a person is still baiting because they placed minerals/salt on the ground(legally) many months ago.

L & O

 

That's your opinion. You came to that conclusion because you think that a person is still baiting because they placed minerals/salt on the ground(legally) many months ago.

L & O

I'm obviously not going to change your mind, I'll talk to a couple CO's about it and see what they have to say though. But, if it's left out on the ground, what is it after the season? Litter? It still meets the definition of bait or feed.

 

Talked to the local CO here in Jackson County. He stated that it would have to be removed if still on the ground after january 1st unless it was within 100 yards of your residence.