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As perhaps some of you are aware, earlier this year, the State of Kentucky suspended its earlier decision to permit the unrestricted hunting of deer with crossbows until further research in these matters could be conducted. Connell University was contracted to conduct the very extensive research which is now attached:

http://www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/pdf/crossbowfinalreport.pdf

As a result of this research and other lobbying efforts, the executive directors of the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife voted unanimously 9-0 to allow the use of crossbows in KY during the regular archery season going forward.

Most interesting from the research was the attitudes of private landowners regarding the use of crossbows. These, perhaps more than any other factor, helped the commission vote 9-0 for its approval. In case you don't want to read the entire survey, here are the highlights.



CROSSBOW SEASON EXPANSION SURVEY

SUMMARY:

Who --- 360 Landowner (from those that owned at least 10 acres, and allowed hunting on that property

3240 Hunters (from those that bought a Combo. Hunting and Fishing License)

Demographics (of those surveyed)

LO = Landowner, H = Hunter base

· 73% of the LO's were males, 94% of the H's were males

· 54% of the LO's and 26% of the H's were 55 yrs. old or older

· 92% of the LO's and 80% of H's hunted private or mostly private lands-10% of the H's hunted only on Public lands

· 56% of the LO's and 61% of the H's hunted both deer and turkey, 25% of the LO's and 30% of the H's hunted only deer, 3% of both hunted only turkey, and 15 % of the LO's and 6% of the H's didn't hunt at all

· 96% of the LO's hunted with guns for both deer and turkey, 94% of the H's hunted deer/turkey with a gun

· 57% of the LO's and 71% of the H's hunted deer with a ML, 11 and 10% for turkey w/ ML

· 42% of the LO's hunted deer with Bow and Arrow, 28% hunted turkey w/ B & A

· 62% of the H's hunted deer with B & A, and 39% hunted turkey w/ B & A

· 13% of the LO's and 10% of the H's hunted deer w/ a x-bow, 8% and 5% hunted turkey w/ x-bows

Top six most hunted counties are LOGAN, HARDIN, LAWRENCE, PIKE,CARTER, LAUREL

78% of those LO's polled agreed that KYDFWR has been doing a good job with the deer management program,

85% of the H's agreed also

85% of those LO's polled agreed that KYDFWR has been doing a good job with the turkey management program, and 87% of the H's agreed also.

Asked if they felt Adult gobblers were being over harvested in KY., 15% of the LO's said yes, 10% of the H's said yes

59% of the LO's support a full expansion of crossbows in the full archery deer season, Only 24% were against it

58% support full expansion in archery season for turkey as well Only 25% were against it

63% of the H's support full expansion into the archery deer season, with only 23% against

62% support the same for archery turkey season with only 25% against

Note: some were neither for nor against the expansion

When asked if expansion of the crossbow into archery season would jeopardize the turkey resource only 26% of the LO's said yes, and 21% of the H's said yes



Asked if they would support other expansion of deer/turkey season (regardless of weapon choice) in an effort to increase or retain new and existing hunters 46% of the LO's and 47% of the H's said yeas for both deer and turkey, 11% and 14% said yes for deer only, and 39% and 35% said NO they would not support expansion.



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This, in my opinion, makes a clear and compelling argument that crossbows should be permitted during the regular archery season, without restriction, on private land as simply another means of better managing the resource. In this way, to quote another:



“If a landowner didn't want anyone to use a crossbow on their land they could make that personal rule”.

”On the other hand it would allow landowners to allow them if that was their choice.”

”So legalization of crossbows on private ground would not affect anyone except those that wanted to be affected.”



Again, so long as it fits within the scheme of total management of the resource, seems like a fair compromise between those for and against use of a crossbow during the various seasons. That is, if compromise is sought at all. Plus, this just might just work toward hunter recruitment and retention.
 

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Now if only Mich DNR would look at this and let us hunt with them during archery. I know flame away but it's about time........m ;)
 

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Now if only Mich DNR would look at this and let us hunt with them during archery. I know flame away but it's about time........m ;)
Patience, it's coming. I give it 5 years tops before the DNR allows the unrestricted use of crossbows, especially in the SLP. Heck, I think they are about ready to let people use clubs and rocks if it will get the deer numbers down in the SLP.

Seriously though, when you look at states that have allowed the general use of crossbows during bow season it has become almost a non-issue. There will always be a few die hards that complain but the vast majority of hunters in those states are fine with the use of crossbows.
 

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The full season for xbow has been an issue for us over the last few years. Last year it past but some bowhunters raised a bunch of flack and got it overturned. I hope it passes this year. I work and have other things to do besides shoot a bow every day--- to become good enough to make a consistent clean shot. So I have to cram a year's worth of deer hunting into 3 weeks for rifle season. Our xbow season is 10 days after gun season currently.
 

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They arent any better than the high tech compound bows with all the fancy sights, arrow rests, releases and arrow heads. I even believe the compounds are more effective at 30+ yards.

I dont care what change is tried. There will never be a time when everyone is pleased with changes. Thats just human nature. Not to mention the bunch of humans that just like to complain about something. :lol:
 

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IMHO, your better off shooting new compound. I think crossbows will only lead to more wounded deer due to misconceptions about them. Leave them on restricted use. I would be ready to lobby against this....
 

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There is a percentage of our bowhunting populace that is unable to enjoy their/our sport .... those that have some form of injury or condition which disallows them the use of their compouds, recurves, longbows, but they do not have the 'medically' necessary 80% (or whatever it is) permanent condition that would allow them the use of a crossbow. That is a shame. I personally know three such hunters. I have to wonder just how many are out there in this state.

I know there are those that say there are all ready too many bowhunters now, ... so what!? That attitude also is a shame.

There are hunts for the youth and disabled (early, I believe) but the 'in-between's are just left out. Something must change because those folks ALSO have a right to the opportunities given in this state for hunting. The use on private land COULD be a partial solution. Thanks for the post about Kentucky, Portia!

Just my .02
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Portia, Lefty, and/or Lee,
Please refrain from using such a large font size.
 

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I would agree that it would allow some elderly and less able people the opportunity to hunt. Good stuff IMO. I just recently got back from VA in Quantico. They allow crossbows for the first time there. You know who I seen using them? Elderly gentlemen. They all had brand new super nice ones. I personally would not use one until I was physically unable to use a bow safely. However, they were as giddy as 10 year old girls. One was even getting his picture taken with a doe. Something about getting a free pack of broadheads if he sends in a pic to the broadhead company. I asked them if they liked the weapon. They said it gave them something to do during the bow season. They started some kind of club or something. Great bunch of guys. I was happy for them. I am going to be stationed there come spring of 06. In Marine Corps. I looked at the game station picture wall. All the deer were about 110 lbs dressed but the racks were enormous. Every hunter is allowed 2 bucks and 2 doe tags on base. Deer are everywhere. No one really shoots small bucks from the pics I had seen. They take a pic of every buck. 85% of the bucks were 8 points or better. Wish I had the pics to show you. The racks were very big. Need to find out what they are eating. You bow hunters would like it. A lot of bow only areas, even during firearm. Only so many hunters allowed in an area at a time. Have to park in designated areas. They told me also that they never see another hunter. Its a big base. Kind of cool and I will be stationed there!! :)
 

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Lee,Lefty, and now Portia! :yikes:

Marty,git yure Xbow tuned up so's we can make the rounds to Ft Knox, Ft Campbell, an' Quantico among others.We been neglectin' our military priviledges to hunt across this grate nation.Only cost us fer non-res tags,gas,an' meals. Stay in the transiet qtrs space-A on base and hunt these boogers.Even bring along our videocams and do our own GI Roadshow an' you can be Waddell,ah injectin' yure funnies.

Leave it to Kentuck ta Git-er-Dun rite!
 

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Lee/Portia (girly name) you state:

"This, in my opinion, makes a clear and compelling argument that crossbows should be permitted during the regular archery season, without restriction, on private land as simply another means of better managing the resource."

Why? Where's the compelling argument? Because it presumably works in Kentucky, it must work here? The Kentucky data also showed an overwhelming majority support the game management efforts of the KDNR. Do you think that's applicable in Michigan? What color is the sky in Oalnad County?

Actually, I have no qualms about the X-bows in this state. Private land only is too elitist however. The attempt to correlate data between Kentucky and Michigan though is just laughable.
 

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Marty,git yure Xbow tuned up so's we can make the rounds to Ft Knox, Ft Campbell, an' Quantico among others.We been neglectin' our military priviledges to hunt across this grate nation.Only cost us fer non-res tags,gas,an' meals. Stay in the transiet qtrs space-A on base and hunt these boogers.Even bring along our videocams and do our own GI Roadshow an' you can be Waddell,ah injectin' yure funnies.

Leave it to Kentuck ta Git-er-Dun rite!
Hey works for me. At least I don't have to jump through rings of fire to xbow hunt here. I hope the MI DNR is reading this and get off their backsides and legalize them here. If not get all the info you can down that way and send it to me. That sounds super...........m ;) ;)
 

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Try the KY website that Portia has at the beginning of this thread. I couldn't get acrobat to pull it up.

Tom(mich) I think that KY is not restricting Xbows to only private land-Portia is simply addressing the private land aspect which allows landowners here the ability to determine their use on their private lands.We have many WMA's and public lands available here to hunt and there would be no apparant reason to restrict Xbows only there.

Forgot to add-civilians can deer hunt both Ft Knox & Ft Campbell also.There's an ammo depot in KY you can hunt as well. :yikes:
 
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http://www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/pdf/crossbowfinalreport.pdfFYI..Based on the report, KY opened crossbow hunting, without restrictions, for both deer and turkey.

I have merely suggested that in Michigan, a fair compomise would be to allow crossbow use on private land during the traditional archery season as one means of managing the resource (after conducting all due diligence, naturally). That way, those opposed to crossbows are not affected and as stated earlier:

If a landowner didn't want anyone to use a crossbow on their land they could make that personal rule”.

”On the other hand it would allow landowners to allow them if that was their choice.”

”So legalization of crossbows on private ground would not affect anyone except those that wanted to be affected.”
There are currently a multitude of seasons, bag-limits, gender-specific quotas set by the DNR that are apply solely to private lands. This is a not a novel approach, nor eletist or discrimatory. Rather, it is simply the available mechanics of managing the resource.
 
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It's funny that every poll I've seen here in Michgin, the clear majority are against the use of cross bows for able bodied hunters during the archery deer season. I wonder why Kentucky would feel different than Michigan?

Could it be that we have way more hunters and people are afraid that the archery seaason would turn into a zoo like the firearms deer seaons in many areas?
 

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Photo of a new crossbow hunter taken from a Tennessee hunting forum, where crossbows are legal. Just the kind of new hunter we need to recruit more of into the ranks in Michigan and if crossbows are the way to do it, so be it. Anybody want to call her lazy? unethical? Have at it. She's welcome to hunt my property anytime she wants!

 

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Photo of a new crossbow hunter taken from a Tennessee hunting forum, where crossbows are legal. Just the kind of new hunter we need to recruit more of into the ranks in Michigan and if crossbows are the way to do it, so be it. Anybody want to call her lazy? unethical? Have at it. She's welcome to hunt my property anytime she wants!


Where is the crossbow. She can't be from Tenn. She's to pretty:lol:
How many bow hunters in Kentucky compaired to Mich
 

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It's funny that every poll I've seen here in Michgin, the clear majority are against the use of cross bows for able bodied hunters during the archery deer season. I wonder why Kentucky would feel different than Michigan?

Could it be that we have way more hunters and people are afraid that the archery seaason would turn into a zoo like the firearms deer seaons in many areas?
Think you have a plausable point here concerning hunter numbers in MI vs KY.A MI survey similar to KY's would be of interest tho for a broad measure of those for and against adoption of Xbows.Seems those against have been most vocal thus far.A survey across the spectrum of deer hunters of all persuasions may reveal more balance.Perhaps a more reasonable standard of establishing handicap, as opposed to the current one we hear decryed by so many,would work better with MI's high hunter numbers.Also allowing seniors the Xbow option regardless of handicap.
 

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How many bow hunters in Kentucky compaired to Mich
Kentucky does not sell seperate bow licenses just a general deer license so it's hard to say how many bow hunters there are. They generally harvest around 110,000 to 115,000 deer annually and about 12,000 to 15,000 of those are taken by bow hunters, so I would guess that the number is somewhere in the 50,000 hunter range but this is just a guess based on roughly a 20-25% success rate. They have a pretty liberal bow season, I believe it runs from September 4th to January 25th. Two buck limit and bonus doe tags available good for two does.
 
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