I been looking at 450 bushmasters for awhile now to hunt this year with to replace using my muzzleloader or slug gun. I narrowed it down to the savage 110 haymaker, but my friend bought a 350 savage axis and is trying to convince me that the 350 would be better. I have been looking at effective ranges and both seem to be capable of what I will be shooting. I'm thinking 200 yard max maybe 250 I doubt I could shoot 300 yards. I hunt mostly out of ladder stands, and home made brushed in ground blinds. Is there a real benefit going 450? or should I just buy a savage 350? I am not afraid of recoil either just want to get the most accurate weapon that will put the deer down.
Is 350 legend better for deer hunting than 450
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Anyone own a Ruger Scout? Im 99% sure this will be my next purchase for the 350. I have an American in .223 which I’ve really warmed up to since initially thinking it was a “cheap” gun (it was, but man is it a great shooting rifle with buttery smooth action).
Mainly ask is because for that kind of money I am not constrained to any brand but like I mentioned I’m very warm to Ruger.
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Mainly ask is because for that kind of money I am not constrained to any brand but like I mentioned I’m very warm to Ruger.
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Yeah my h&r 20ga is in double digits for kills now. It's certainly proved it's worth. But ammo is pricey and it's way too heavy for a child (clocking in around 9lbs w/out a scope). I have no ego around caliber either. I'd really like something that is manageable for my daughter who will turn 10 next fall.
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For the same money as the Ruger Scout you can get two Thompson Center Venture II in 350 Legend or one with a real nice scope.
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I'd just as soon buy another American with a nice scope.
Edit: I misread that. I thought you were referring to the CVA. I strongly dislike CVA. Their customer service is garbage. I'll take a closer look at the TC rifle.
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Thompson Center Venture II is worth a look. It is not the same as before the S&W buyout but still a good value for a MOA guaranteed rifle. Lots of positives in the entry level market.
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D_rek.
The American is a nice shooter for the money....however Ruger decided to go with the AR-15 ten round mag(shortened to limit it to 5 rounds)to save money. IMHO ...this sucks. It limits COL with handloads and makes the rounds cycle rough as ever.. Not to mention a real Pain in the back when slung or off benchrest.
Other than that, mine did shoot moa and 2.06”@200yds with factory ammo..
The American is a nice shooter for the money....however Ruger decided to go with the AR-15 ten round mag(shortened to limit it to 5 rounds)to save money. IMHO ...this sucks. It limits COL with handloads and makes the rounds cycle rough as ever.. Not to mention a real Pain in the back when slung or off benchrest.
Other than that, mine did shoot moa and 2.06”@200yds with factory ammo..
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This is my 11 year old daughter's first deer shot yesterday with her new mossberg patriot youth 350. The target was the last range time we had with it. Those were her shots at 100 while sitting on a stool with a bipod. Same as we would be hunting out of the popup. She was shooting the Winchester 180's
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Congrats...this what makes the 350 Legend all that and a bag of chips...
It’s the very best choice for everyone not only kids. It’s mild recoil allows everyone to shoot better, and it has plenty of knockdown to ranges that exceed most people’s shooting capability...
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It’s the very best choice for everyone not only kids. It’s mild recoil allows everyone to shoot better, and it has plenty of knockdown to ranges that exceed most people’s shooting capability...
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This thread and another fresh one in the Rifles forum got me looking into comparisons. My original thought was, other than being in the limited gun zone where a straight walled cartridge is needed, why would anyone buy one of these. I would think most people would just used the tried and true 30-30, or .32 special or .35 that we always have. No one, that deserves an ounce of respect anyway, will look you in the eye and say a 30-30 has no business in the woods.
So, that being said, my how wrong I was.
This was the best comparison info I could find.
From https://greatdaysoutdoors.com/350-legend/
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350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: Ballistics at a Glance
To better understand these calibers, we analyzed the ballistics of each. Generally, with a 250-grain bullet, the 450 Bushmaster sports an approximate 2,200-fps muzzle velocity, 2,675 foot-pounds of energy out of the barrel and drops 4-5 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
While the 350 doesn’t have as much muscle as its older brother, it’s impressive, and still wins in certain categories. Usually, with a 150-grain bullet, it storms out of the barrel at about 2,300 fps, offers around 1,800 foot-pounds of energy, and drops around 5 to 6 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
Overall, the 450 certainly triumphs when it comes to sheer knockdown power. Its heavier payload delivers a higher energy transfer upon impact. That undeniably can make a difference with subpar shot placement. But in my mind, with good shots, that added energy doesn’t outcompete the numerous advantages of the smaller round.
If leaning toward the 350 Legend, based on ballistics, understand that it also outshines other similar cartridges, especially in the recoil, penetration and energy departments. According to Winchester — the founder of the caliber — it’s the fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world. Diving deeper, Winchester says it has nearly 63% less recoil than the 450 Bushmaster, 18% less than .243 Win, and 11% less than 30-30 Win. The 350 gets over 23% more penetration than .243 Win and 60% more than .223 Rem. It even has over 14% more energy than 300 Blackout, 15% more than 30-30 Win, and 49% more than .223 Rem.
350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: A Gun Expert’s Perspective
We also considered how these calibers would perform as sporting rifles, and consulted with Bay County Armory Founder Sonny Vincent. He has years of federal law enforcement and firearms retail experience behind him. He saw there was a niche in the AR market that wasn’t being filled. That’s when he decided to make a move, and began supplying custom-built ARs to retailers, rather than directly to customers.
Some of his builds are in straight-wall calibers, which is huge for those who hunt in straight-wall-caliber-only states. “Muzzleloaders are fun, but at the end of the day it’s a muzzleloader and they’re dirty and slow,” Vincent says. “Slugs are effective, but not always reliable in accuracy. You can have a great group, take a break, and your next shot is a flyer.”
It also has other advantages. “If you have smaller-framed, inexperienced, or recoil-averse hunters, the 350 Legend is something people are seeking out,” Vincent says. “Your advantage moving from the 450 to the 350 is ammo availability, ammo cost and recoil. In areas where you have dense brush, and areas where your shots are inside 200 yards, I think this is a superior cartridge out of an AR platform.”
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I think I would go bolt action and not AR, but that is just my personal preference.
I am seriously interested in this rifle now.
So, that being said, my how wrong I was.
This was the best comparison info I could find.
From https://greatdaysoutdoors.com/350-legend/
350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: Ballistics at a Glance
To better understand these calibers, we analyzed the ballistics of each. Generally, with a 250-grain bullet, the 450 Bushmaster sports an approximate 2,200-fps muzzle velocity, 2,675 foot-pounds of energy out of the barrel and drops 4-5 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
While the 350 doesn’t have as much muscle as its older brother, it’s impressive, and still wins in certain categories. Usually, with a 150-grain bullet, it storms out of the barrel at about 2,300 fps, offers around 1,800 foot-pounds of energy, and drops around 5 to 6 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
Overall, the 450 certainly triumphs when it comes to sheer knockdown power. Its heavier payload delivers a higher energy transfer upon impact. That undeniably can make a difference with subpar shot placement. But in my mind, with good shots, that added energy doesn’t outcompete the numerous advantages of the smaller round.
If leaning toward the 350 Legend, based on ballistics, understand that it also outshines other similar cartridges, especially in the recoil, penetration and energy departments. According to Winchester — the founder of the caliber — it’s the fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world. Diving deeper, Winchester says it has nearly 63% less recoil than the 450 Bushmaster, 18% less than .243 Win, and 11% less than 30-30 Win. The 350 gets over 23% more penetration than .243 Win and 60% more than .223 Rem. It even has over 14% more energy than 300 Blackout, 15% more than 30-30 Win, and 49% more than .223 Rem.
350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: A Gun Expert’s Perspective
We also considered how these calibers would perform as sporting rifles, and consulted with Bay County Armory Founder Sonny Vincent. He has years of federal law enforcement and firearms retail experience behind him. He saw there was a niche in the AR market that wasn’t being filled. That’s when he decided to make a move, and began supplying custom-built ARs to retailers, rather than directly to customers.
Some of his builds are in straight-wall calibers, which is huge for those who hunt in straight-wall-caliber-only states. “Muzzleloaders are fun, but at the end of the day it’s a muzzleloader and they’re dirty and slow,” Vincent says. “Slugs are effective, but not always reliable in accuracy. You can have a great group, take a break, and your next shot is a flyer.”
It also has other advantages. “If you have smaller-framed, inexperienced, or recoil-averse hunters, the 350 Legend is something people are seeking out,” Vincent says. “Your advantage moving from the 450 to the 350 is ammo availability, ammo cost and recoil. In areas where you have dense brush, and areas where your shots are inside 200 yards, I think this is a superior cartridge out of an AR platform.”
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I think I would go bolt action and not AR, but that is just my personal preference.
I am seriously interested in this rifle now.
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Get both, or 3 and add a single shot. I have shot 2 deer now with the 350. One with 40 yards with the Winchester 150XP and the other at 20 with the Winxhester 180SP. Neither passed thru, but the deer went down quick. Both got caught in the hide in the opposite shoulder. All the energy was put into the deer. Very impressed with this round.This thread and another fresh one in the Rifles forum got me looking into comparisons. My original thought was, other than being in the limited gun zone where a straight walled cartridge is needed, why would anyone buy one of these. I would think most people would just used the tried and true 30-30, or .32 special or .35 that we always have. No one, that deserves an ounce of respect anyway, will look you in the eye and say a 30-30 has no business in the woods.
So, that being said, my how wrong I was.
This was the best comparison info I could find.
From https://greatdaysoutdoors.com/350-legend/
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350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: Ballistics at a Glance
To better understand these calibers, we analyzed the ballistics of each. Generally, with a 250-grain bullet, the 450 Bushmaster sports an approximate 2,200-fps muzzle velocity, 2,675 foot-pounds of energy out of the barrel and drops 4-5 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
While the 350 doesn’t have as much muscle as its older brother, it’s impressive, and still wins in certain categories. Usually, with a 150-grain bullet, it storms out of the barrel at about 2,300 fps, offers around 1,800 foot-pounds of energy, and drops around 5 to 6 inches between 100 and 200 yards.
Overall, the 450 certainly triumphs when it comes to sheer knockdown power. Its heavier payload delivers a higher energy transfer upon impact. That undeniably can make a difference with subpar shot placement. But in my mind, with good shots, that added energy doesn’t outcompete the numerous advantages of the smaller round.
If leaning toward the 350 Legend, based on ballistics, understand that it also outshines other similar cartridges, especially in the recoil, penetration and energy departments. According to Winchester — the founder of the caliber — it’s the fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world. Diving deeper, Winchester says it has nearly 63% less recoil than the 450 Bushmaster, 18% less than .243 Win, and 11% less than 30-30 Win. The 350 gets over 23% more penetration than .243 Win and 60% more than .223 Rem. It even has over 14% more energy than 300 Blackout, 15% more than 30-30 Win, and 49% more than .223 Rem.
350 legend vs 450 bushmaster: A Gun Expert’s Perspective
We also considered how these calibers would perform as sporting rifles, and consulted with Bay County Armory Founder Sonny Vincent. He has years of federal law enforcement and firearms retail experience behind him. He saw there was a niche in the AR market that wasn’t being filled. That’s when he decided to make a move, and began supplying custom-built ARs to retailers, rather than directly to customers.
Some of his builds are in straight-wall calibers, which is huge for those who hunt in straight-wall-caliber-only states. “Muzzleloaders are fun, but at the end of the day it’s a muzzleloader and they’re dirty and slow,” Vincent says. “Slugs are effective, but not always reliable in accuracy. You can have a great group, take a break, and your next shot is a flyer.”
It also has other advantages. “If you have smaller-framed, inexperienced, or recoil-averse hunters, the 350 Legend is something people are seeking out,” Vincent says. “Your advantage moving from the 450 to the 350 is ammo availability, ammo cost and recoil. In areas where you have dense brush, and areas where your shots are inside 200 yards, I think this is a superior cartridge out of an AR platform.”
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I think I would go bolt action and not AR, but that is just my personal preference.
I am seriously interested in this rifle now.
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I have one (in .450 BM) and I love it! It's only been fired at a live being three times. But I've been kinda spoiled by it:
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d_rek,
I also bought a Ruger American in .243 for my youngest son. It's accurate as hell. I am a BIG Ruger fan. I have a number of them. All high quality and very durable.
I also bought a Ruger American in .243 for my youngest son. It's accurate as hell. I am a BIG Ruger fan. I have a number of them. All high quality and very durable.
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I really like my American in .223, but the savage 110 sold me with adjustability for my oldest who i want to start shooting next year. If I was the only one shooting it I might have sprung for the ruger.
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Got to shoot the savage 110 this afternoon. Tried 3 different brands of ammo but at 50 yards we were cutting holes with hornady whitetail 180gr. At 100 we’re getting 2-3” groups. Probably about 40 rounds total through it today. Started to pull our shots a bit near the end and groups opened up. Set the gun down and put the last 3 bullets down range and had them 1” from each other dead center of target. Pretty respectable performance compared to my 20ga slug shotgun. Recoil was somewhere between a .223 and 20ga.
I will say the savage was cycling pretty rough for first dozen shots or so. Seemed to loosen up considerably after that. Also ran into an issue of the bolt wasn’t pulled back completely the cartridge would not load and we would dry fire. This happened probably half a dozen times before we started to just make sure the bolt was pulled all the way back before cycling another round. Seems like there isn’t much margin for error when cycling a round - either the bolt needs to come back fully or it simply won’t pickup the cartridge. Not sure if that’s normal or if I’m just not used to the action on the 110 yet.
Anyway going to break it down and give it a thorough cleaning tonight and we’ll see how it does again in a week or so.
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I will say the savage was cycling pretty rough for first dozen shots or so. Seemed to loosen up considerably after that. Also ran into an issue of the bolt wasn’t pulled back completely the cartridge would not load and we would dry fire. This happened probably half a dozen times before we started to just make sure the bolt was pulled all the way back before cycling another round. Seems like there isn’t much margin for error when cycling a round - either the bolt needs to come back fully or it simply won’t pickup the cartridge. Not sure if that’s normal or if I’m just not used to the action on the 110 yet.
Anyway going to break it down and give it a thorough cleaning tonight and we’ll see how it does again in a week or so.
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You can rotate the baffle over 180 degrees so that it comes back another 1/4” and never have to worry about it. To do this simply rotate the part behind the locking lugs(google savage bolt baffle)so the thinner of the two sides is on your ejection side and reinsert bolt. Your bolt will now come back well beyond the case.
I Built AR uppers in 450BM and 350L last year. Shot a doe opening day with the 450bm and another doe the last day of the season with the 350L. Both shots DRT. I prefer the 350L due to the cost of ammo and lesser recoil. I used both in the regular rifle zone.
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I googled this but couldn't find squat. Can you provide more info or a link to what I should be looking for? All i'm seeing is custom builds or people replacing the bolt.
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