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Multiple households were already banned, and everyone was ignoring those bans, and the DNR couldn't keep up with fining people... so they banned motorboating all together.

...and why only motorboating? Because 99.9% of the boating being done that time of year that involves multiple households is motorboating.

It ain't large sailing yachts full of people. It isn't 3 households in a kayak.
Kinda like gatherings at houses...
 

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Multiple households were already banned, and everyone was ignoring those bans, and the DNR couldn't keep up with fining people... so they banned motorboating all together.

...and why only motorboating? Because 99.9% of the boating being done that time of year that involves multiple households is motorboating.

It ain't large sailing yachts full of people. It isn't 3 households in a kayak.
Again, the few wreck it for the many. Don't blame the mandates, blame the violators.
 

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Multiple households were already banned, and everyone was ignoring those bans, and the DNR couldn't keep up with fining people... so they banned motorboating all together.

...and why only motorboating? Because 99.9% of the boating being done that time of year that involves multiple households is motorboating.

It ain't large sailing yachts full of people. It isn't 3 households in a kayak.
But far less than 99.9% of all motorboating at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat. Your argument is the same as saying because 99.9% of drunk driving involves driving, lets do a blanket ban on driving.
 

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Restaurants and bars are closed because the evidence shows they are a high spread risk environment - same as gyms and sports stadiums.
But wait.... gyms, salons, and barbers were literally the last to be allowed to reopen after the first shutdown... they basically had to fight to get to open again while the big bad restaurants were given the green light before them. Now, salons and gyms are open, while restaurants remain closed. Did the "science" change somewhere along the way?
 

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But far less than 99.9% of all motorboating at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat. Your argument is the same as saying because 99.9% of drunk driving involves driving, lets do a blanket ban on driving.
It's also theoretically possible to kill someone with a sharpened pencil... or a butter knife. Let's ban those too.
 

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But far less than 99.9% of all motorboating at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat. Your argument is the same as saying because 99.9% of drunk driving involves driving, lets do a blanket ban on driving.
I couldn't fish by myself. Thats stupid. Its less risky than getting take out.
 

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But far less than 99.9% of all motorboating at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat.
Correct - I'd bet it was only 75%+ at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat.

Even after the ban - approximately 1 in 5 DNR encounters with boaters involved a warning or citation for violation of COVID rules.
 

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But wait.... gyms, salons, and barbers were literally the last to be allowed to reopen after the first shutdown... they basically had to fight to get to open again while the big bad restaurants were given the green light before them. Now, salons and gyms are open, while restaurants remain closed. Did the "science" change somewhere along the way?
Salons and gyms you are still required to wear masks 100% of the time. Restaurants you have to remove while eating. So the majority of the time they are off. (except for the short time from the door to the table and back)
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But wait.... gyms, salons, and barbers were literally the last to be allowed to reopen after the first shutdown... they basically had to fight to get to open again while the big bad restaurants were given the green light before them. Now, salons and gyms are open, while restaurants remain closed. Did the "science" change somewhere along the way?
Scientific evidence is constantly changing. That is science.

...but realistically, gyms shouldn't be open.
 

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Correct - I'd bet it was only 75%+ at that time involved people from multiple households on the same boat.

Even after the ban - approximately 1 in 5 DNR encounters with boaters involved a warning or citation for violation of COVID rules.
Your 75%+ guess doesn't line up with your 20% data point (I've never seen this figure mentioned, so I'm interested where it came from) just after the ban was lifted. A large discontinuity like that means your guess is likely way off. The DNR also isn't going to check people fishing solo to see if everyone is from the same household. If 20% of traffic stops involve people running a red light, that does not mean 20% of drivers on the road are running red lights. Obvious or suspected offenders get checked much more often than the general pool. Boats with five guys all in the same age range were more likely to get checked than a boat with one adult and one or two young children.
 

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Your 75%+ guess doesn't line up with your 20% data point (I've never seen this figure mentioned, so I'm interested where it came from) just after the ban was lifted.

Not just after the ban was lifted.
Just after the ban was INSTITUTED.

The weekend after the ban was in effect - 1 in 5 DNR boater contacts still involved: failure to social distance, multiple households in one boat, use of a motorboat
 

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But wait.... gyms, salons, and barbers were literally the last to be allowed to reopen after the first shutdown... they basically had to fight to get to open again while the big bad restaurants were given the green light before them. Now, salons and gyms are open, while restaurants remain closed. Did the "science" change somewhere along the way?
Gyms, salons, and barber shops don't have liquor licenses for the state to threaten to pull. That seems to be the only enforcement tool the state is using against restaurants at the moment, plus a $600 civil fine. For restaurants that don't have liquor licenses, if they can make more than $600 a day being open with dine-in customers, the financially responsible thing to do is to stay open until the state decides to up their punishments. Upping the punishments likely won't happen because the Michigan Supreme Court decision last fall unless the state legislature passes legislation to do so.
 
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