Yes, TDduckman has is right. Everyone should keep their observations to them selves and not inform anyone on the extremely high numbers of dead deer they are finding. Let all the happy hunters go out to the woods totally oblivious to the fact that in many many areas the herd has been near wiped out. Let Joe hunter go out with happy enthusiasm and shoot all the deer his tags allow. Let's all take our happy pills and take a wait and see attitude. That should work. You won’t offend anyone and take away from their hunting experience. Let Joe hunter find out for himself that there aren't many deer left so he better shoot the few that he does see. Let's set ourselves back even further by killing what's left in the affected areas. Yeah, that will work.

 

Look I know there has been a deer kill and I can read the reports, the whole point is that individual observations should not be blown out of proportion.

In another thread 1 poster says the River is full of dead deer when another poster is talking about all of the live deer he is seeing in the same area.

This is my point, there has been a EHD out break, thats bad, but we will not know how bad until the weather cools and it stops. So we should wait and see what is the story when all has settled.

Sounding alarm bells and claiming that the deer will not recover does not benifit anyone.

waiting and seeing how many deer are left and making adjustments if needed is the way to go.

Personally I am going to take someone youth hunting this weekend I will see what I see.


TD

Well said.

 

FYI to all, accuweather is showing a low of 36 for Sunday, Grand Rapids. Lets all hope.

And 37 in Saginaw.....I know the farmers don't want it yet but this EHD monster has this not very religius guy praying for a hard forst!!!!

 

Look I know there has been a deer kill and I can read the reports, the whole point is that individual observations should not be blown out of proportion.

In another thread 1 poster says the River is full of dead deer when another poster is talking about all of the live deer he is seeing in the same area.

This is my point, there has been a EHD out break, thats bad, but we will not know how bad until the weather cools and it stops. So we should wait and see what is the story when all has settled.

Sounding alarm bells and claiming that the deer will not recover does not benifit anyone.

waiting and seeing how many deer are left and making adjustments if needed is the way to go.

Personally I am going to take someone youth hunting this weekend I will see what I see.


TD

You staying in the south? Or heading up north to your property? It is getting close up there as well, hopefully not there yet. .. .need a frost!!

Good luck and have fun.

 

In most of the SLP, it's somewhere between 10/05 and 10/07. The earliest I've seen in Hillsdale County is 10/01(I believe that was in 2010), though I've been told by an old timer that it's happened on 09/30 before.

Back in 2000, we didn't get our first hard frost until the last week of October.

 

Can anyone locate a county by county total or are they just going to post the State wide total from here on out?

We had a frost on Wednesday in Carson City. They are calling for lows of 34 and 32 respectively for Carson City again this weekend :help:

 

You staying in the south? Or heading up north to your property? It is getting close up there as well, hopefully not there yet. .. .need a frost!!

Good luck and have fun.

Heading north --- There has been a confirmed case 2 townships away if I read the report correctly.

Like most outbreaks it has to run its course and then we can asses the damamge.

My neighbor saw 37 deer in his hay field last night so I know there are some around.

We did have a frost last weekend not sure if it was heavy enough.

TD

 

Can anyone locate a county by county total or are they just going to post the State wide total from here on out?

We had a frost on Wednesday in Carson City. They are calling for lows of 34 and 32 respectively for Carson City again this weekend :help:

The county by county count is posted as a link in several posts. but here it is again there have been other reports including a updated map since then. This is current as of last week.

http://www.michigan.gov/emergingdiseases/0,4579,7-186--283966--,00.html

 

FYI to all, accuweather is showing a low of 36 for Sunday, Grand Rapids. Lets all hope.

Sat forcast for Pellston


Rain showers, possibly mixed with sleet.


c hartman

 

Now that said according to some you have to make a bad situation worse by multiplying this times whatever number comes into your head.


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A sad fact is that these numbers do not do it any justice of what is really going on out there. Fact is situation is not bad its horrible. But as some have said we are just speculateing? LIke some have said get out there and take a walk to see how it really is. So if the dnr comes to look at a fresh ehd deer? The fresh one is laying next to a few hours old one. The older one don't count because its too old to test.? This is not speculation, that is how its actually working. So the numbers are greatly flawed.

 

its strange to think that they cant test a deer thats over the 48 hour limit...seems like that disease would stick with the carcass no matter how old it is...

 

Not sure if this is what some of you are trying to see?

 

The virus begins to die within hours of death.

 

Yes, TDduckman has is right. Everyone should keep their observations to them selves and not inform anyone on the extremely high numbers of dead deer they are finding. Let all the happy hunters go out to the woods totally oblivious to the fact that in many many areas the herd has been near wiped out. Let Joe hunter go out with happy enthusiasm and shoot all the deer his tags allow. Let's all take our happy pills and take a wait and see attitude. That should work. You won’t offend anyone and take away from their hunting experience. Let Joe hunter find out for himself that there aren't many deer left so he better shoot the few that he does see. Let's set ourselves back even further by killing what's left in the affected areas. Yeah, that will work.

I dont think that TDduckman said any of that? you know you actually have to read posts to be able to critique them. All TDduckman is saying is don't overly freak out until this outbreak is all said and done with, yes i know it sucks but there will be deer left, and hopefully we find out that there is more around then everyone thoight. All he was saying is when you go out and actually sit in the woods, make observations on how many you do see, not shoot every deer you see.

take a chill pill, there will always be deer

 

i posted earlier about talking to the guy who lives in South Dakota...this is where he directed me to...

http://gfp.sd.gov/news/news/september/19.aspx

thats pretty proactive if you ask me!

 

i posted earlier about talking to the guy who lives in South Dakota...this is where he directed me to...

http://gfp.sd.gov/news/news/september/19.aspx

thats pretty proactive if you ask me!

Sure is. To be honest I don't see how that would be possible in a unit as large as 486. Now, as was discussed that the EHD meeting in Ionia last night, unit 486 will be broken up into 4-6 sub units where what is being done could be possible. Would the MDNR do what is being done out in S. Dakota? Doubtful but it would be more plausible. Getting accurate information out to the uninformed is the best we can do now and that is our responsiblity as hunters because for many reasons the DNR is not capable.

 

i posted earlier about talking to the guy who lives in South Dakota...this is where he directed me to...

http://gfp.sd.gov/news/news/september/19.aspx

thats pretty proactive if you ask me!

Yes that is very proactive and a completely different situation.

South Dakota is a great place to hunt but, it is a low deer denisty state with many fewer deer and deer hunters.

Their tags are almost all alocated by lottery already and are not sold over the counter. What they stopped selling was the left over licenses after the drawing.

So how would we do this in Michigan? tell all of the guys who havent bought their licenses that they are not going to be able to hunt this year?

 

Sure is. To be honest I don't see how that would be possible in a unit as large as 486. Now, as was discussed that the EHD meeting in Ionia last night, unit 486 will be broken up into 4-6 sub units where what is being done could be possible. Would the MDNR do what is being done out in S. Dakota? Doubtful but it would be more plausible. Getting accurate information out to the uninformed is the best we can do now and that is our responsiblity as hunters because for many reasons the DNR is not capable.

Look most of the deer are taken in the Firearms season by that time the DNR will know the extent of the damage and can let people know what they should do.

The best way to get the information to the uniformed is to get them the full and correct information. Which no one has at this point

TD

 

Yes that is very proactive and a completely different situation.

South Dakota is a great place to hunt but, it is a low deer denisty state with many fewer deer and deer hunters.

Their tags are almost all alocated by lottery already and are not sold over the counter. What they stopped selling was the left over licenses after the drawing.

So how would we do this in Michigan? tell all of the guys who havent bought their licenses that they are not going to be able to hunt this year?

i dont have any recommendations for how the DNR should handle this...i was just showing that it is possible...however, offering to buy back licenses isnt a bad start!

 

i dont have any recommendations for how the DNR should handle this...i was just showing that it is possible...however, offering to buy back licenses isnt a bad start!

wouldnt it be better to direct the firearms hunters to areas that are still over population goals? Once the extent of the die off is known I am sure that the DNR will tell us the areas that were hit the worst and the Bow hunters will be able to give some field reports.

I tell you what I will buy your license if you want to sell it. (assuming that it is legal to do so)

I can frame it as a Deer Saved and hang it in my hunting blind

TD

 

wouldnt it be better to direct the firearms hunters to areas that are still over population goals? Once the extent of the die off is known I am sure that the DNR will tell us the areas that were hit the worst and the Bow hunters will be able to give some field reports.

I tell you what I will buy your license if you want to sell it. (assuming that it is legal to do so)

I can frame it as a Deer Saved and hang it in my hunting blind

TD

not necessary...i can head north if i chose and as of today, it hasnt made its way onto my hunting land in saginaw...i havent even bought my license yet so no worries! :lol:

i dont know how many places that were going to have that are over goal once the dust settles...and what about the guys who have no other options but that one spot that was decimated? the buy backs dont seem like a bad idea then!

 

i dont have any recommendations for how the DNR should handle this...i was just showing that it is possible...however, offering to buy back licenses isnt a bad start!

Buy back what licences?? The ones from the hunters that arnt sucessful? Alittle different here in Michigan........you walk into a licence outlet and buy one..........unless you bought a combo in the spring you already knew ,or should have as much as it has been publicized ,there was an outbreak of EHD...........


c hartman

 

Buy back what licences?? The ones from the hunters that arnt sucessful? Alittle different here in Michigan........you walk into a licence outlet and buy one..........unless you bought a combo in the spring you already knew ,or should have as much as it has been publicized ,there was an outbreak of EHD...........


c hartman

the season hasnt started yet, it would be quite simple for this to be a possibility

 

Look most of the deer are taken in the Firearms season by that time the DNR will know the extent of the damage and can let people know what they should do.

The best way to get the information to the uniformed is to get them the full and correct information. Which no one has at this point

TD

The DNR stated last night at the Ionia meeting that they wont know the full extent for at least 10 months, so this season is still "game on!"

Next season it will be "hindsight is 20/20." Whoops!

 

Stateland up here in nlp is about to be a busy place had been quiet last few years have a feeling that's going to change.But hey that's what it's here for so if you end up in Roscommon and pass by my camp stop by and have a beer least I could do for what you guys are dealing with feel awful.


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