I talked to my daughter in Illinois last night she, she just got permisson to hunt a piece of property. She set a new ladder stand yesterday around noon and hunted it last night. She saw two real big does but they were too close , I asked how close? She said they went between the ladder and the tree! When we set stands during season we always use plastic rain gear and rubber boots and rubber gloves. Seems she didnt leave too much sent this time. I might go down in a couple weeks and see if we can fine tune their set up.