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I pointed out that SSI income jumped significantly more than the average working American's income on a percentage basis. Now you're squirming out of that fact like pescy would.
Don’t forget you also posted about 17x. Short memory? Need a link?
 
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Do any of you honestly believe the low and poverty level people are reloading ammo for recreational shooting? That is not the demographic that enjoys the shooting sports. That whole segment can be eliminated from any discussion. How many shooting ranges and hunting opportunities fall within public transportation of the poor? Using average income vs median income/net worth paints a more true picture of those participating in the shooting sports.
You must not know many of us po' folk.

The guys I know who reload the most have the least disposable income.

Reloading on the cheap is an artform.

Range brass -hand cast bullets - and 8 lbs of Red Dot keeps me shooting.

I could not afford factory ammo. The only factory stuff I have bought in years is .22 LR.
 

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You must not know many of us po' folk.

The guys I know who reload the most have the least disposable income.

Reloading on the cheap is an artform.

Range brass -hand cast bullets - and 8 lbs of Red Dot keeps me shooting.

I could not afford factory ammo. The only factory stuff I have bought in years is .22 LR.
You would be correct, I had to work in the ghetto but chose to not make it my mission to befriend the residents. I know mostly middle class along with in the upper class retiree category. Most fall into the 4-5 digit monthly income range but a few are 6 figure successful men only one is light years ahead of the rest of us. Even the high enders collect their SSI benefits.
 

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You must not know many of us po' folk.

The guys I know who reload the most have the least disposable income.

Reloading on the cheap is an artform.

Range brass -hand cast bullets - and 8 lbs of Red Dot keeps me shooting.

I could not afford factory ammo. The only factory stuff I have bought in years is .22 LR.
Right now it cost more to reload than buy loaded ammo if you don't have components and have to start doing it today.
 

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Right now it cost more to reload than buy loaded ammo if you don't have components and have to start doing it today.
Right now it cost more to reload than buy loaded ammo if you don't have components and have to start doing it today.
I would have to do the math...

Of course - it is dumb not to.

I guess a lot of guys go out and buy all new equipment and a couple lbs of powder, 100l bullets and primers and go to work.

Not me. I started out very small - borrowing equipment - buying used - and buying powder and primers at estate sales, garage sales - and ads in the newspaper ( pre internet) I took cast off ammo - from guys who did poor loading and didn' t trust the loads. I used an inertial puller and took apart thousands of rounds over the years for components. I scrounged. I scrimped. I saved. I bought powder in bulk. ( Who remembers 2230C - reclaimed milsurp powder for $60 an 8 lbs can? - I still shoot that stuff in .223 and 30-06..) I bought pull bullets by thelbs.l

Like I said - doing it on the cheap is an artform. But it all starts with doing the math and knowing what it will cost you.
 

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I would have to do the math...

Of course - it is dumb not to.

I guess a lot of guys go out and buy all new equipment and a couple lbs of powder, 100l bullets and primers and go to work.

Not me. I started out very small - borrowing equipment - buying used - and buying powder and primers at estate sales, garage sales - and ads in the newspaper ( pre internet) I took cast off ammo - from guys who did poor loading and didn' t trust the loads. I used an inertial puller and took apart thousands of rounds over the years for components. I scrounged. I scrimped. I saved. I bought powder in bulk. ( Who remembers 2230C - reclaimed milsurp powder for $60 an 8 lbs can? - I still shoot that stuff in .223 and 30-06..) I bought pull bullets by thelbs.l

Like I said - doing it on the cheap is an artform. But it all starts with doing the math and knowing what it will cost you.
For me it's cheaper as all my components were bought years ago. I did the math as I posted earlier. To load a 300PRC round, it's 3.70+. One 20 round box for Hornady 300PRC same bullet costs 60.00 or 3.00 per round. Obviously brass is usable for future loading but to start out today, cost is higher to reload.
 

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The prices will stay up as long as people keep buying. Stop paying the vig and prices will return to normal very quickly.
Dare to dream!

22LR never came to pre-gouging price levels. When gougers & hoarders send prices up 3-500%, they might eventually return to "only" 200% of previous level. Those who can afford to wait-out these "temporary" blips might avoid spending too much now, but also miss out on alot of shooting.

Welcome to the new normal. Brought to you by enemies of 2A.
 

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Dare to dream!

22LR never came to pre-gouging price levels. When gougers & hoarders send prices up 3-500%, they might eventually return to "only" 200% of previous level. Those who can afford to wait-out these "temporary" blips might avoid spending too much now, but also miss out on alot of shooting.

Welcome to the new normal. Brought to you by enemies of 2A.
I disagree... When you count inflation - 22 ammo did ( for a short while) come down....

I bought several boxes ( federal 550 count) for $14 at Walmart.. Of course it went back up....

It will come back down... With inflation - I expect we will see $22 or so for 550 packs - when prices stabilize... Then I will buy a few more...
 

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Right now it cost more to reload than buy loaded ammo if you don't have components and have to start doing it today.
I did this recently. I bought an o/u 20 ga during the pandemic. Couldnt get shells anywhere for 9 months. I bought a mec reloader on this site for $60 from a member. Bought two powder busings on ebay for $15. It took me 3 months of scrounging for powder, primers and shot. I am reloading Win AA rounds at $7.25-7.45 per box with todays material cost depending on which recipe i use. I use reclaimed shot for target loads and magnum shot for hunting loads. Walmart has win AA new for 11.46 now...i priced them last night when I was there. Last summer I bought 3 boxes of win AA new at walmart in South carolina for 7.50 a box but prices have risen recently. SC was the only place I could find them outside of tripled cost on ammoseek.

I just accumulated what i needed for 3" bismuth loads. I can load them for about
$37 a box They are running about $45 a box depending on brand. 10 boxes of that would recoup the cost of my reloading equipment with the savings. 2 cases of AA loads would also recoup my costs.

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I got into hand loading around 1980. I thought it would save me money in the long run. I found out I was wrong. I shot probably 10 times more because I rolled my own and always had a plentiful supply. There was never a worry on matching multiple boxes of factory ammo after that.

Soon after Sandy Hook I took a couple of bricks of 22 Thunderbolts to SSL auctions when I was picking up a Remington 700mls to convert to a custom smokeless muzzleloader. I peeled the $9.99 Kmart sticker off. I was hoping to offset the purchase of the ML a bit. To my surprise I cleared over $100/brick. Needless to say next trip north was to my camps and cottages to deplete my new old stock of thunderbolt ammo and dropped them off in Flint. That first sale was a fluke price wise but getting rid of 20-30 year old 22lr funded most of the cost of a custom rifle. As Churchill once said never let a good crisis go to waste.
 

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Dare to dream!

22LR never came to pre-gouging price levels. When gougers & hoarders send prices up 3-500%, they might eventually return to "only" 200% of previous level. Those who can afford to wait-out these "temporary" blips might avoid spending too much now, but also miss out on alot of shooting.

Welcome to the new normal. Brought to you by enemies of 2A.
I'm still holding out for $2 50 round cardboard boxes.:(
 
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I got into hand loading around 1980. I thought it would save me money in the long run. I found out I was wrong. I shot probably 10 times more because I rolled my own and always had a plentiful supply. There was never a worry on matching multiple boxes of factory ammo after that.

Soon after Sandy Hook I took a couple of bricks of 22 Thunderbolts to SSL auctions when I was picking up a Remington 700mls to convert to a custom smokeless muzzleloader. I peeled the $9.99 Kmart sticker off. I was hoping to offset the purchase of the ML a bit. To my surprise I cleared over $100/brick. Needless to say next trip north was to my camps and cottages to deplete my new old stock of thunderbolt ammo and dropped them off in Flint. That first sale was a fluke price wise but getting rid of 20-30 year old 22lr funded most of the cost of a custom rifle. As Churchill once said never let a good crisis go to waste.
Reloading save me 200% vs factory ammo for years. Much cheaper no doubt before all the price increases. I started with shotgun shells when lead shot was legal for waterfowl. Big savings there then when they banned lead shot, I stopped loading. Pistol and rifle reloading really saved me money for years but today it's reversed.
 
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