Approval Rates

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Neal

Discussion Starter · Oct 28, 2010 (Edited)

In order to institute changes of this nature, do you think the DNRE should continue to require the current 66% approval rate or should it be lowered?

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Pinefarm

· #61 · Nov 26, 2010

"If you are so damn sure that APR's are so popular, Why would you be opposed to a COMPLETELY RANDOM POLL."

Conversely one could say, if you're so damn sure that APR's are so unpopular, why would you be opposed to asking the people who are and will always be the longest term hunters in the given area and most subject to the new rules, that being landowners.

If these people don't want supposed unpopular APR's, they'll surely vote it down.

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kenn1320

· #62 · Nov 26, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

As a matter of fact you have hunting land, you can already control the harvest on your land. Why do you even care if the regs are changed.

Unless you own several square miles, what you do personally on your land has little affect on the local deer. This is why those that pass small bucks, but do not have a co-op are not seeing any measurable results. Without change across a larger area, there will be no noticeable change. Why is it so easy for most to throw back a fish that isnt legal, yet ask those individuals to identify what they are shooting at, before they pull the trigger and its a big problem?

Most of the local people hunt the public land.

By public land, you mean the roads right?

Also since when does income level coincide with the desire to shoot a deer over 1.5yrs old? I believe the "bridge card" is for buying food, more so then the gas to go find your deer.

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swampbuck

· #63 · Nov 27, 2010

Trophy management is not a goal of the DNR or justification for establishing QDM or APR areas in Michigan [qoute: Mich DNRE]

soggybtmboys

· #64 · Nov 27, 2010

I would hardly call protecting some of the 1.5yr old bucks 'Trophy' management.
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swampbuck

· #65 · Nov 27, 2010

The 1 1/2 y.o. buck harvest in the NLP was 48% last year and that number has been steadily falling, Have you noticed the difference ?

Would the 3point/4point APR'S be expected to protect more than 52% of 1 1/2 yo bucks?

codybear

· #66 · Nov 27, 2010 (Edited)

swampbuck said:
The 1 1/2 y.o. buck harvest in the NLP was 48% last year and that number has been steadily falling, Have you noticed the difference ?

Its falling because there arent as many.. Dont forget they reduced the herd by over 50% in some areas up here and even more in others.. I used to pass on 1.5 year bucks and now I'm lucky to even see one and Im hunting harder than ever.. It snowed here yesterday so I went for a drive this morning. When I first hit state land I set my trip odometer to zero and I went 6.6 miles before I cut the first set of tracks. I drove around the 2-tracks for 2 hours this morning and was lucky if I cut a dozen tracks in total.. Yes, its that bad.. I think the DNR finally agreed its bad because they stopped all antlerless permits here on both public and private land. My 17 acres and food plots havent had a deer in them since the middle of Oct, not even at night and I'm surrounded by farm land that used to hold alot of deer.. I also have the only water source (pond) in the area... After my morning drive I walked my 17 acres and not a single track anywhere.

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fishx65

· #67 · Nov 27, 2010

codybear said:
Its falling because there arent as many.. Dont forget they reduced the herd by over 50% in some areas up here and even more in others.. I used to pass on 1.5 year bucks and now I'm lucky to even see one and Im hunting harder than ever.. It snowed here yesterday so I went for a drive this morning. When I first hit state land I set my trip odometer to zero and I went 6.6 miles before I cut the first set of tracks. I drove around the 2-tracks for 2 hours this morning and was lucky if I cut a dozen tracks in total.. Yes, its that bad.. I think the DNR finally agreed its bad because they stopped all antlerless permits here on both public and private land. My 17 acres and food plots havent had a deer in them since the middle of Oct, not even at night and I'm surrounded by farm land that used to hold alot of deer.. I also have the only water source (pond) in the area... After my morning drive I walked my 17 acres and not a single track anywhere.

That sucks! I thought Lake was bad but it sounds like you got us beat.

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codybear

· #68 · Nov 27, 2010

fishx65 said:
That sucks! I thought Lake was bad but it sounds like you got us beat.

Yeah, the other day I had 3 yotes sniffing around under the apple trees in my front yard. Ya think they would have some gut piles to attend too :lol:

CB

swampbuck

· #69 · Nov 27, 2010

codybear said:
Its falling because there arent as many.. Dont forget they reduced the herd by over 50% in some areas up here and even more in others.. I used to pass on 1.5 year bucks and now I'm lucky to even see one and Im hunting harder than ever.. It snowed here yesterday so I went for a drive this morning. When I first hit state land I set my trip odometer to zero and I went 6.6 miles before I cut the first set of tracks. I drove around the 2-tracks for 2 hours this morning and was lucky if I cut a dozen tracks in total.. Yes, its that bad.. I think the DNR finally agreed its bad because they stopped all antlerless permits here on both public and private land. My 17 acres and food plots havent had a deer in them since the middle of Oct, not even at night and I'm surrounded by farm land that used to hold alot of deer.. I also have the only water source (pond) in the area... After my morning drive I walked my 17 acres and not a single track anywhere.

That was 48% of what was killed. I also went for a drive this morning in Roscommon county. In about 10 miles I seen 3 deer tracks and at least 10 coyote tracks. Might have to become a coyote hunter.

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kenn1320

· #70 · Nov 27, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

I also went for a drive this morning in Roscommon county. In about 10 miles I seen 3 deer tracks and at least 10 coyote tracks. Might have to become a coyote hunter.

Yotes are thick in that area, have relatives that live/hunt there. They stopped doe permits in that area 4yrs ago, maybe longer? Strange they do not see the herd rebounding. I keep reading its easy to bring the herd numbers up by stopping doe hunting, but you wouldn't know it in that area. My father n law saw his first deer after hunting 7 days straight.

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codybear

· #71 · Nov 27, 2010

swampbuck said:
That was 48% of what was killed. I also went for a drive this morning in Roscommon county. In about 10 miles I seen 3 deer tracks and at least 10 coyote tracks. Might have to become a coyote hunter.

Sorry, I thought you were making a different point..

The only place to find tracks up here is along the larger sections of private land then ya just gotta hope something is still on the public land side but in most cases they headed back in before first light.

I just dont understand why it seems like its still getting worse when they backed totally off the permits plus we had such a mild winter last year. We also have a lack of hunters around here now too. Things just dont add up..

CB

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swampbuck

· #72 · Nov 27, 2010 (Edited)

kenn1320 said:
Yotes are thick in that area, have relatives that live/hunt there. They stopped doe permits in that area 4yrs ago, maybe longer? Strange they do not see the herd rebounding. I keep reading its easy to bring the herd numbers up by stopping doe hunting, but you wouldn't know it in that area. My father n law saw his first deer after hunting 7 days straight.
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They sold 1000 private land permits this year.

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CBMLIFEMEMBER

· #73 · Nov 28, 2010

swampbuck said:
They sold 1000 private land permits this year.

I got one!!, I'm driving up in muzzleload season and using mine.

codybear

· #74 · Nov 28, 2010

kenn1320 said:
They stopped doe permits in that area 4yrs ago, maybe longer? Strange they do not see the herd rebounding. I keep reading its easy to bring the herd numbers up by stopping doe hunting, but you wouldn't know it in that area.
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Same here, they stopped our permits 2 years ago and it seesm like its still declining.. I'm not sure whats going on and we had a mild winter last year and lack of hunters for the past few years. I'm heading back out right now, gonna try a spot a little closer this time (tired of burning tanks of gas to see absolutly nothing).

CB

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soggybtmboys

· #75 · Nov 28, 2010

To get thing back on track. Interesting to note, of respondents to this poll 63.44 % are in favor of lowering the bar for the approval rate from 66% and of that segment 75.7% are in favor of lowering it to a simple majority of 51%.
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swampbuck

· #76 · Nov 29, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

A simple majority in a COMPLETELY RANDOM POLL would be fine

kenn1320

· #77 · Nov 29, 2010

as long as were only counting yes/no votes. The norm is to put anything but yes in as a no vote.

soggybtmboys

· #78 · Nov 29, 2010

APR's are working in the UP and many many happy hunters. I think all of these guys approve!

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/sports/video.aspx?id=545702

Their buck hunting has only gotten better, and it is showing!

swampbuck

· #79 · Nov 29, 2010

That is a very small selected sample of a much larger group. A better indicator for the APR workgroup would be the percentage of hunters, Who have quit buying the combo tag and switched to the single license to avoid antler restrictions. It's considerable.

That data will also be available for the tb zone in the spring.

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kenn1320

· #80 · Dec 2, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

That is a very small selected sample of a much larger group. A better indicator for the APR workgroup would be the percentage of hunters, Who have quit buying the combo tag and switched to the single license to avoid antler restrictions. It's considerable.

Not sure that proves anything. My perspective is what are the odds of getting 2 bucks a year, let alone both restricted. I think its natural to not buy the combo in apr units, so you can still hunt for what you consider a good buck, but have the option to shoot whatever. Plus what license the hunter buys doesnt indicate if aprs are helping the herd.

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