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That correlate with trend data... While correlation analysis just documents covariance, it should not be discounted nor ignored. Or, in your case explained away to diminish it.
Or manipulated by bias.

I've come to the conclusion in my adult life that studies and polls aren't worth much. Theres too much bias. Hidden agendas. Science has become political.
 
Or manipulated by bias.

I've come to the conclusion in my adult life that studies and polls aren't worth much. Theres too much bias. Hidden agendas. Science has become political.
The objectivity of the reader is too frequently the manipulator of perspective.

Polls are applicable for the immediate interval they are done in, and not much more based on their sample size and error terms.

Bias is usually a function of poor study design. In and of itself it does not manipulate an outcoe. In the lay publics eye the determination is frequently the result of a poor understanding of statistical assessments and the results. Sample size and duration are two big determiners of the validity and applicability of a study's results.
 
Cork, wouldn't you agree that a poll can be manipulated by who you ask to take the poll? I honestly don't know enough about climate change to give a solid rational answer or opinion but I do have questions. For one, if we've been trying to reduce emissions in autos since about 1980 or so, why isn't it getting cleaned up and changing climate? If, of course auto emissions are a main driver of the problem. We have scrubber systems on factory emissions output also. Historically it seems as though the climate alarmists don't really have a working thought process on unintended consequences. For example, landfills; once a landfill is full what next, we get more land to do it again, at the same time the original land now useless. Sure they have some ideas of what to do with that land, but it certainly isn't usable for human habitat. Anyways, carry on, I'm intrigued by the responses.
 
I dont know the difference between CO2 equivalents back then vs now, but arent there a lot more miles driven now? Its very possible to cut emissions in half, and still put out more.

Its not just the US that contributes to it either. But I'm also not sure that "cuz they don't", is a valid excuse not to make an effort.

Here is 1990 til recent, in US only.

I guess one question is, what threshold has an impact? Or maybe what reduction leads to measurable decline in rate of change?
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I guess that makes sense, we DO have millions of cars on the road now vs several years ago, so there is that. I don't know, like I said I'm no scientist I'm just a little reluctant to jump on board with this kind of stuff. Been too many things over the years that just seem like knee jerk reactions.
 
Cork, wouldn't you agree that a poll can be manipulated by who you ask to take the poll? I honestly don't know enough about climate change to give a solid rational answer or opinion but I do have questions. For one, if we've been trying to reduce emissions in autos since about 1980 or so, why isn't it getting cleaned up and changing climate? If, of course auto emissions are a main driver of the problem. We have scrubber systems on factory emissions output also. Historically it seems as though the climate alarmists don't really have a working thought process on unintended consequences. For example, landfills; once a landfill is full what next, we get more land to do it again, at the same time the original land now useless. Sure they have some ideas of what to do with that land, but it certainly isn't usable for human habitat. Anyways, carry on, I'm intrigued by the responses.
IF your base goal is to skew the poll response, yes. Why specific origin poling data is embraced by different cohorts on the political, social array spectrum.

You mention the technology that is operating in the United States, but do not address its overall implementation status by industry, or the proportion within an industry that currently utilizes the state of the art technology. Take your example of auto emissions standards, which have increased slowly through time, but in each instance the cars being produced to meet those standards do not actualy fully backfill all the autos in current use. Actually the average age of the cars on the road in the U.S. has incrementally increased over time. Oddly, our population has expanded over the same interval' the economy has grown, and the number of cars per household has increased as well. In 1960 only 22% of households in this country owned two or more vehicles. In 2020 that proportion had grown to 59%- 37% with two cars per household and 22% of U.S. households with three cars per household. Are these all autos with that meet current emissions standards? Not likely.

Additionally, you would be better served to view climate and the rate of climate change on a global scale and then break the drivers into ranked blocks from greatests to least by country and sector within that country. The United States is an emissions producer outlier based largely on use rate arrayed by economy sector.
China has four times more inhabitants that the United States; India three times as many people than us. China largely uses a variety of fossil fuels, but mainly coal to power factories with very poor to zero emissions control and limited national standards. As the wealth of inhabitants has increased, largely on a spotty urban centered locale basis, consumption and burning rates have increased and emissions rates have increased nearly exponentially. India is essentially the same scenario.

Landfills were not concieved or created as a climate change solution or modifier. However, I am wiling to bet that the "waste" methane burn-off total from the U.S. fracking industry well exceeds the methane produced by all the landfills in the U.S. https://time.com/6183376/landfills-becoming-solar-farms/

halt the 80% completed and partially federally funded windfarm of the coast of the Rhode Island...


Remember, most economists conclude that tariffs are largely paid for by domestic business owners and end consumers.

Yup, yup, yup....we're going to the zoo, and then the circus, followed by the baseball game!
 
I don't drink beer, and I certainly don't drink the koolaid spewed out by talking heads. I try to use the Ronald Reagan thought process (not to get political oddly), which is to trust but verify. Once that trust has been broken, well lets just say it's a long way back for me to trust again, there are a couple on this site that fit that bill quite well, but that's irrelevant to this thread.
 
After this current cold front, the Great Lakes waters around Michigan will likely drop to below average temperature levels.
The interesting specific aspect of large surface water bodies is that they gain and lose heat quite slowly, why summer and winter air temps. in those sections of Michigan that are influenced by lake climate on a seasonal basis benefit from that effect. Also, why we have such a vibrant orchard souced fruit growing industry, etc. in the state.
 
While that may well all be correct, what I'm certain of is that I'm not interested in getting into political bashing.
Federal governments engage in international treaties crafting, accord agreements, and joint globa efforts and discussions specific to altering the current course of global scale impacts. Sound and growing domestic economies among signatories is a main driver of what and how far individual government commitments generally extend. I would think you are fully aware of these realities given you previous statement that you have a doctorate in Political Science form an esteemed state uiversity.
Aparrently I was mistaken in my reasoning...

When you divert federal resources and monies away from projects that address longterm issues specific to climate change, bending the CO2 emissions curve, etc These efforts have both immediate and lasting consequences beyond expending financial resources for nebulous benefit at elevated rates. Fiscal espenditure accounting is NOT political bashing, just as landfills are not a climate change directed effort.

Isn't your reference to climate scientists an advocates as alarmists, at minimum a skosh over the line as well? One could conclude you have reached a conclusion that is a bit premature, at minimum.



Good news. Lakes is 45 degrees in grand haven right now. Sounds like this problem has been solved.
Yup, an upwellng event fixes everything...if your attention span is measured in days. Golly, doesn't the warm surface water that is the source of the record temps. just slosh over to the downwind shoreline section of Lake Michigan? Did you know that upwellings are the principal causes of alewife larval die-offs?
 
Federal governments engage in international treaties crafting, accord agreements, and joint globa efforts and discussions specific to altering the current course of global scale impacts. Sound and growing domestic economies among signatories is a main driver of what and how far individual government commitments generally extend. I would think you are fully aware of these realities given you previous statement that you have a doctorate in Political Science form an esteemed state uiversity.
Aparrently I was mistaken in my reasoning...

When you divert federal resources and monies away from projects that address longterm issues specific to climate change, bending the CO2 emissions curve, etc These efforts have both immediate and lasting consequences beyond expending financial resources for nebulous benefit at elevated rates. Fiscal espenditure accounting is NOT political bashing, just as landfills are not a climate change directed effort.

Isn't your reference to climate scientists an advocates as alarmists, at minimum a skosh over the line as well? One could conclude you have reached a conclusion that is a bit premature, at minimum.





Yup, an upwellng event fixes everything...if your attention span is measured in days. Golly, doesn't the warm surface water that is the source of the record temps. just slosh over to the downwind shoreline section of Lake Michigan? Did you know that upwellings are the principal causes of alewife larval die-offs?
Listen, I understand all that as well as you do, but that isn't the discussion here. This is about yes or no and just what is causing it and what, if anything, can be done about it? Seeing as how there are differing opinions on how it's happening, it's pretty difficult to establish a quorum on how to fix it.
 
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