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#41 ·
Something interesting, or not. If you look online you'll find a thing called the Palmer Index. What this tells you is the drought severity going back to the start of the 1900's. It's pretty interesting in that you'll see some correlation to what he have now. It's sort of a mirror image say 75 years ago to what it is today.

Now this will sound a little outlandish but, back in 1986 we had severe rains in the month of September and places like Midland had some severe flooding, which is where we lived at the time. During all that mess there was an old timer who was interviewed on TV that said he was alive during the Haleys Comet in 1910 or thereabouts; his statement was the weather did the exact same thing then as it was doing in 1986 and of course the two years had something in common, Haley's Comet. Now I know I'm reaching here, but is it possible the two events could have something to do with it, that's where I discovered the Palmer Index and saw some odd similarities, but hey it's fun to speculate sometimes.
 
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Back in the 70's being a kid in school it was a new ice age heading our way if things didn't change. I guess that one never caught on. First it was global warming. Then overnight it became climate change so hot or cold wet or dry they could do there battle cry. What happened to the hole in the ozone?🤔
 
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whipit said:
Back in the 70's being a kid in school it was a new ice age heading our way if things didn't change. I guess that one never caught on. First it was global warming. Then overnight it became climate change so hot or cold wet or dry they could do there battle cry. What happened to the hole in the ozone?🤔
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NASA Ozone Watch: Latest status of ozone

Latest status of ozone
ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov

Ozone hole was scientifically well documented and the link to CFCs and other related chemical use was accepted by governments around the world. Action by governments based on the science reduced use of those chemicals and helped to solve the problem. We lost some effective refrigerants but reduced skin cancer and kept plants healthy to help feed us.

“Greenhouse Effect” first described in 1824 by Fourier and quantified by Arrhenius in 1896 (1903 Nobel in chemistry).

“Global warming” long accepted as a result of “Greenhouse Effect”. Later Anthropogenic (human caused related to fossil fuel use) “Climate Change” described the observed and probability of further changes to climate caused by increased average temperatures and the effects on oceans, etc. At one time, this was accepted science by both major political parties. Perhaps if Al Gore hadn’t gotten involved and the Heritage Foundation hadn’t turned this into a political wedge issue (despite the overwhelming science supporting) we’d be more focused as a nation in our effort to reduce these effects rather than relying on expensive mitigation and adaptation. But here we are…
 
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onlinebiker said:
Getting warmer , getting cooler - that's natural and has been that way since the planet formed

What is unnatural? Stasis.

The expectation for the planet to stay at a temperature that we are comfortable with is unrealistic drivel spouted by spoiled, entitled children.
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What’s different and difficult for biological systems, of which we’re a part, to adapt to is the rapid pace of change. Decades vs. millennia.

The wisdom we gain from our personal life experience is severely limited. How much of that experience is focused on the changes taking place if we’re not professionally engaged or have a strong desire to keep track as a hobby/passion? 80 is old for a human, not so old for many tree species (excluding aspen—although if they clone from their roots, aren’t they really much older than the 40-50 yo tree dying in front of you?)
 
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whipit said:
Back in the 70's being a kid in school it was a new ice age heading our way if things didn't change. I guess that one never caught on. First it was global warming. Then overnight it became climate change so hot or cold wet or dry they could do there battle cry. What happened to the hole in the ozone?🤔
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Climate change refers to the oscillations caused by the accumulated effects at the planet scale from global warming impacts. Weather on an event basis is not climate, a realitiy lost on our president and many of his minsions... What the model predicts is more extreme oscillations of wet and dry, cold and warm, and more frequent occurrences of these extremes. Wet areas will likely get wetter and dry areas will experience deeper and more frequent dry spels to full-on drought cycles. The Great Lakes are a huge surface water mass, storing and lossing heat at slower rates than the landmass surrounding them. As system snow events decline warmer Great Lakes waters generate more lake effect snow and rain events often for a longer period cycle withina specific winter. Why deer populations in the U.P. have frequently been slammed by high snowfall and extended winter weather well into spring.

The most significant aspect of a drought is that when rainfall events actually occur over very warm and dry landmass sections the precipitation falls as virga, never actually reaching the ground prior evaporating to form water vapor. This is why it is extemely difficult to break a drought cycle once extablished.
 
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onlinebiker said:
Getting warmer , getting cooler - that's natural and has been that way since the planet formed

What is unnatural? Stasis.

The expectation for the planet to stay at a temperature that we are comfortable with is unrealistic drivel spouted by spoiled, entitled children.
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You are describing weather, not climate cycles...big difference.
 
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JohnP123 said:
About the only thing more puzzling than thinking man can change the climate is thinking that man can stop the climate from changing.
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It puzzles me that many can not comprehend or refuses to believe every action has a reaction. Also those refusing to believe science in why the earth's climate is changing.

I don't see how doing the same thing and thinking we will have different results will work as well. Still getting a world wide change is probably impossible and even if possible it's probably a little to late. As your post and mine suggest, how to get one to agree is not as easy as it seems
 
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