Yearling buck dispersal...

Discussion in 'Michigan Whitetail Deer Hunting' started by wildthing, May 4, 2018.

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  1. wildthing

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    I wanted to reply to this quote by Joe Archer.....but for some reason the thread has already been locked...
    • "There is PLENTY of scientific evidence involving yearly buck dispersal. Much of the evidence indicates that one of the peak dispersal periods occurs during the pre-rut or rut." Joe Archer.
    Not trying to be argumentative Joe but .... Has anyone else seen this "scientific evidence"? It has always been my understanding that the vast majority of yearling buck dispersal takes place in the late spring and summer. In fact, I recently read this in a paper published by the Pennsylvania DNR deer guru - sorry his name escapes me at the moment.

    Seems contradictory...
     
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    Does it really matter when they disperse. The fact that they do is the risk.
     
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    It does if you are targeting yearling bucks to contain CWD. Hunting season isn't open in the spring and summer and targeting yearling bucks which have already disbursed is somewhat akin to closing the barn door after the horses got out....if your goal is to target family groups in the CWD area....
     
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    Not really, how long do you want them to spread it in the new area. or the new arrivals to your area. Kill them wherever you find them
     
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  5. Dish7

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    So in your opinion, it is kill every deer.
     
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    They could never kill every deer. but -1 is still-1, and considering bucks carry the highest risk. its probably a little better than -1
     
  7. HUBBHUNTER

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    Yes and it has been his opinion since CWD was first found. He has been suffering through the TB slaughter and would like the rest of the state to join his misery.

    We know herd reduction hasn't worked to contain it. Other states tried it, didn't work. When/if state wide testing becomes mandatory they will find CWD in the NLP and both ends of the UP. It's here. Learn to live with it.

    The end to our great hunting tradition will not be from CWD it's self but from the fear he and others spew. Just look at what low deer numbers did to the UP hunting tradition. Camp after camp after camp ceased to operate and are now nothing but a fond memory.

    Disease or not, without large numbers and easy access to a hunt able population only the die hards will remain and that's not enough to keep the tradition moving forward.


    edit: And there are more hunters on this forum than I'd like to count that would like to see less hunters in the woods for their own personal enjoyment and some of them are advocates of a herd reduction in the name of containment.
     
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  8. Dish7

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    Bucks carry the highest risk yet the DNR wants doe family groups targeted lol. And by "every deer" I meant every one possible...in your opinion.
     
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    Hey now, I'm not sure common sense is allowed in a CWD thread lol. Strong post.
     
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    We should eliminate the 3” APR and do a slot limit. any visible button bucks should be legal with any buck tag. Then do 3pt APR for the other slot.

    Meat hunters should rejoice. Leave the already dispersed spikes and forks for the following year. They’re already dispersed, right?
     
  11. Waif

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    (Note I'm calling last years fawns yearlings.)

    Majority and length of dispersal ( time and distance) in spring may not be the same as fall.
    Yearlings with their mothers ,and if mother is going to drop fawns will get un welcomed prior.
    If no mother exists ,then another doe can claim a (the yearlings current) site if desired.
    We are in or near fawning time. Doe's staking claim to a site will run off last years fawns and any other deer for a while.
    We will see evidence when yearling road hits spike.
    Deer density will factor in how far those yearlings (of both sexes) go .
    If they intrude on another doe defending a site they will change course again.
    If their mother is dead /gone and no other doe runs them off a site ...they are orientated enough to stay if habitat is sufficient.
    In high deer densities we can on occasion note the yearling doe in sub prime /hazardous areas to drop her fawn. A competition for prime sites thing where older or more dominant doe's crowd her..

    Yet both sex yearlings can return in the fall or earlier. They may have been in sight of site they were run off ,or....?
    If the male shows too much interest in familial doe's we know he gets declined. Leading him to seek more receptive females.
    Will he return? How much farther he might range compared to spring depends on multiple factors. Density again. Receptive doe's (eventually). Other bucks numbers. Habitat.

    A yearling buck fawn during fawn drop time might hook up with a bachelor group in time. Or like others be with his litter mate (if he has one) not much farther than he has to be from the ground he knows.
    Your experience may differ , but last years fawns are often bumped on the fringes of areas during May/June. Awkward ,not overly concerned about bedding.
    One year a yearling bedded near /almost touching a neighbors tractor in his front yard repeatedly after getting the boot.
    One yearling doe where I hunt had a small (and vulnerable to prying eyes) area in sight of momma and the current years fawns till allowed to rejoin last fall.
    Having seen doe and button buck fawns still together in the fall hints that they could do the same in the prior summer. A doe running off fawns is going to get them off the small site she will fawn in. Sex of fawn does not matter ,so if last years fawns hang around the periphery ,(and if not colliding with other fawn site defending doe's) that is not too great an example of dispersal. Fall dispersal can be much farther. But the incentive , instinct, individual drive after exposure to other males , and surviving maternal clan will be big factors.
    Once out of that family groups range range ,(which mile-wise may or may not be that far)the next set of earlier mentioned fall dispersal factors are at play.

    Always exceptions ,but fall dispersal of yearling bucks is more permanent with greater geographic range implications in a herd with doe left alone in it....more often than spring dispersal. At least from my personal observation.

    This fall those loose family groups will tighten up again. Buck yearlings with some.
    Bucks show too much interest in mom or sis and they get more than a cold shoulder leading to driven by urge interest elsewhere.

    Those yearling bucks in Nov. with doe groups are not expected to be family. That more are not related makes for a safe bet.
    Can lead to wonder sometimes with some of them though , when skinny necked and not doggin no one....
     
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    Looks like wildthing is taking the stickybow challenge..good luck beating 4 pages
     
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    What happened in that thread? Didn't seem that bad unless I missed something that was deleted.
     
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    Nothing deleted.lol
     
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    Kint mentioned Keyser Soze , or some one or some thing off topic........
     
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