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Would a state-wide baiting ban lead to an increase in deer #s?

Discussion in 'Whitetail Deer Management' started by cdacker, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. FullQuiver

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    I don't believe that the original premise that baiting would let more deer live is true.. I have to say that the easiest hunting on state land around me was the 2 years of the bait ban here in Newaygo county.. The deer were forced to move more to get enough food and made themselves easier targets.. Much more travel in daylight hours and increased levels of activity during those hours was what I saw.. People have this perception that they have to bait but most have never really tried to hunt without it.. It isn't all that hard, I am no whitetail guru or deer whisperer but I can kill deer consistently with or without bait. You just have to adjust..
     
  2. Justin

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    That depends on many factors. Experiences vary.
     

  3. FullQuiver

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    Care to expand on this?? Most of those around me that hunted the state land around me had the same experiences.. Just wondering what conditions existed that were different than what we experienced..
     
  4. skipper34

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    It looks like the only difference in our thinking is that at least rifle hunting is legal. The baiting that I despise is illegal. Big difference.
     
  5. mbrewer

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    No such thing as a nocturnal deer. It's a big fat excuse for relying on an unreliable understanding of deer behavior.
     
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    The belated caveat means nothing. Your original and oft repeated position is "I absolutely despise baiting for deer". Period.

    True story.
     
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  7. Pinefarm2015

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    The nicest buck poles on the nearby public land were during the bait ban. One year they had several nice 8pts hanging. That was the only period in my lifetime that the public land guys did as well as the neighboring private land. The regulars there openly admitted it was their best year ever. Typically all they ever get is a spike or two.

    We also had our best daylight sightings of deer during the ban. I assume it’s because deer actually got up and looked for browse and acorns, instead of waiting until dark or after dark to hit a bait pile.
     
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  8. Justin

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    Not all state land is the same. Nearby private land and and its uses can make a big difference in deer behavior. The size of the property will make a difference. I don't doubt that the hunters around you had the same experiences that you did. They were around you. The hunters around me have the same experiences that I do. We have large parcels of private land bordering us along with public land. The property owners have food plots and feeders. They lightly hunt if they hunt at all. In years of little to no mast like this year, the surrounding public land becomes a deer desert.
     
  9. feedinggrounds

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    I like cheap easy deer, I have many outdoor interests, I whacked a nice 8point with a carrot in his mouth. I have no time like some posters to check buck poles and chat it up with surrounding hunters, most nowadays keep to themselves and the little group they camp with due to attitudes today. Example, I know that if gunshot is heard the neighbor watches the gate to our property to see what kind of deer is taken. Thank heaven for X bows, he then offers a unwanted opinion on the deer, he has 5 acres I have 145 he fence sits, I wish he did not but oh well. He does not like the white paper towels we hang on branches to flutter in the breeze, when asked about it I asked if it looked like a deer tail...it does. The 8 is mostly gone now, but I have some browns and chromers going in the smoke house sat. This CWD and how its handled will forever change deer hunting in Michigan and elsewhere and has, I expect to see more hunters stomping brush for rabbits and knocking down other small game, I do wish fur prices would bump up some but fishing has been good. Ice fishing gear is coming out and soon. I have talked with grandsons about this, they are 12 and 14 and like to hunt deer but find other types of hunting and fishing much less boring. Going to be big changes I feel, deer hunting will take a big hit but guys will hunt, just something else. I have done rabbitat work and other small game projects in the past and will do more. If deer are safe to eat great, if not that is a shame. Deer#s may increase as the disease may take a bit to effect populations but less deer hunting and deer killing will be a bigger factor. Going to be quite a ride.
     
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  10. Trophy Specialist

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    Just look at what happened in Wisconsin: They banned baiting statewide after CWD was found and deer hunter numbers plumeted as did the deer kill. From what I've read, the deer population in the CWD areas are mostly about the same compared to pre-CWD despite all their efforts to lower the herd. Fewer hunters there for sure.
     
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  11. FullQuiver

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    Based on the idea of what you said is true, how would we know what the cause of lower hunter participation in the CWD area of WI, fear of the disease, lowered deer number initially, Earn a buck, (a very controversial tactic) or no baiting. Probably was a confluence of all of these.. From the sounds of things there will be fewer hunters in our CWD areas also mostly because of the fear of the disease... I am not sure that guys will just stop hunting because of not being able to bait...
     
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    When Wisconsin lifted the statewide baiting ban, hunter numbers increased.
     
  13. FullQuiver

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    Didn't they also stop EAB at the same time... Kind of muddies the water wouldn't you say..
     
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    My memory tells me that EAB continued after baiting was reinstated. EAB was also only implemted in a few areas of the state, whereas the baiting ban was statewide.
     
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    Could be I am not exactly sure of the timing myself.. I do know a lot of friends and family who hunted in WI and EAB in the areas they hunted was the biggest issue, far and above the use of bait.. Many quit hunting because they had to let huge bucks walk by while waiting for a doe to shoot..