Time for a new noob question - what rifle do I want?

Discussion in 'Michigan Whitetail Deer Hunting' started by Macs13, Oct 25, 2020.

  1. Macs13

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    Oh awesome. The salesman at my local shop this morning was explaining that Accutrigger as being a really nice, higher end gun feature.

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    I see the bolt action version of that gun listed from Cabelas at $500. Not a bad price.

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    More like 200yds realistically,Hornady ballistics chart shows-16 " drop at around 275yds.
     
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    I beg to differ. I have 2 Remington 783's in 30-06. One synthetic and the other walnut. I love both of these guns. Inexpensive doesn't automatically equate to cheap. Both of these guns are absolute nailers. They are used maybe at most a month per year, to shoot at the range to check poi and while hunting. I doubt very much if I could wear these rifles out before my grandkids get hold of them. I can say with confidence that these guns will last my short lifetime as well as the next owner's.
     
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    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the 350BM is essentially an improved version of the 30-06, isn't it sensible to aim for the newer, ostensibly "upgraded" version?

    I'm not poking at your opinion, I'm just curious to see if I've got it right.

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    The 350 legend is a new straight wall cartridge developed by Winchester several years ago to cater to the recent firearm regulation changes in Michigan and other states. It is a 35 caliber cartridge. The 30-06 is a 30 caliber cartridge with a neck. One is not related to the other.
     
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    Because of your location I can't advise you on rifle or cartridge. For a scope a good fixed 4x, 6x, 2-7 or 3-9 would be my choice. For a reticle a simple duplex is the best to start with. I prefer a German #1, but this is a minority opinion.
     
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    Did you possibly mix up 450BM and 350 Legend?

    30-06 sprg 180 grain bullet has about 43% more energy left at 500 yards than the 350 legend has at 200 yards. The 450BM in 250 grain at 200 yards is energy equivalent to the previously mentioned 180 gr 30-06 at 500 yards. The 450 and 350 aren't really in the same ballpark when it comes to ballistics but they'll kill deer just the same at usual ranges.
     
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    That's probably it. Lots of cramming in a short time frame.

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    From those numbers, it's no comparison at all and the 30-06 blows them both away.

    As an aside, the MeatEater guys suggest a 300 win mag for the best all around gun. I have no idea if that's a legal gun in southern Michigan but I did think that it was interesting that multiple of the top hunters there agreed on it.

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    350 legend was compared to 30.30 when it came out. The reason 300WM is so well regarded is it will kill anything on this continent and for most big game around the world. Flatter shooting than 30.06, more power and is readily available like 30.06. Not legal currently in the limited firearm zone for deer
     
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    Yep. The 300 win mag can definitely reach out and touch em. Without looking it up I want to say its somewhere around 400 fps higher muzzle velocity than the 30-06 with the same bullet. Of course it comes with an increase in recoil.
     
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    350 legend or 450BM either would be a good choice. Both are short range weapons meaning 200 yards or less. 450 more power but if you think your going to shoot 300 yards, you need to be a 300 yard shot, have a good rest allow for bullet drop and be able to allow for wind drift. Wind can have a big impact on big slow moving bullets. 200yds is much more realistic and either caliber will do that with the 350 having less recoil and cheaper ammo.
     
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    I forget what the recommended energy is for whitetail. Something like 1000 ftlbs is the traditional rule of thumb. The 350 is under 900 at 200 yards. Still doable.
     
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    Ah... the old Synthetic stocked, ported barrel from the factory, Mossberg 695.

    When I put a scope on the one I used to own and sighted it in I ran through about 20 slugs. I had a bruise the diameter of a basketball that extended out onto my pectoral. Took about a month to go away.