Hey TVCjohn, Thank you for what you did for a living. Trust me, you might as well be on the Moon and expect a rescue. No one can help you. In my mind the Only and true professionals are the CG (ice rescue). I know the Fire Dept's do a great job but If the bad, gets Way Worse the CG are the people I want looking for me. 98% of people try not to do stupid stuff . There are risk in anything you do. This post was in attempt to Hopefully make one think before they partake in thier activity, what ever it is. What spawned this post is perfect people knocking others thinking they are to smart to need help. I hate sportsman knocking other sportsman. Sure Some people do push the limit (way over) and hopefully they take something form all the post. Thanx TVCJ.