Well guys it is not an upgrade in terms of points, but I was able to harvest my target buck tonight. He was cruising and got by me out of range. I pulled out the grunt tube and brought him back on a string. 25 yard shot and he only went about 60 yards. He dressed out at 184# and had a 19" spread. While thrilled, it's kind of anti-climatic. I have never, not had a buck tag for the gun opener. I have a very good gun spot. I offered to take a young man that is the son of a friend in there tonight.