Back in the mid 90's I left 4winns to go to work wrenching for Spicer's boat city. One of the first schools I went to was Bayliner school. Of course being a 4 winns guy, I had a pretty good conversation with the Bayliner guy. He described it to me like this......"4winns is a great boat, but you guys are making cadillac's, At Bayliner we are making Ford's.....most people can't afford a Cadillac." He tough me a lot with that statement.