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Discussion in 'MichiganWaterfowl.com' started by smelz like wet dog, Feb 27, 2018.
Um not quite. This is the waterfowl hunting discussion board. We also have a classified board. He posted his advertisement to both. You'll notice there aren't any comments to his post in the classified board, because that isn't a place that people typically go to make comments. But on the contrary, this waterfowl hunting forum is where people go to make comments, and as you can see, his post here drew lots of comments. Things seem to be working just as intended as far as I can tell.
Troll away if it makes you feel good! If your trying to push people away from the sport, mission accomplished!
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Hahahaha, Hawgeye, there seems to be a few everywhere
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about Jimbos, who was lecturing about not butting in all the while butting in himself. I'd agree with you though that it is possible the breeder has what I would consider important information about pups available by phone call (strangely, just not sharing it).... however, somebody advertising "AKC white labs," oversized, for $1,000, no reg numbers and no health certs explicitly pointed out, just screams red flags to me. Plain and simple man. He posts something like that on a public hunting forum where I've received so much help about dogs from so many people, I'm going to offer my help and suggest prospective lab pup buyers look closer into this, or look elsewhere. That is all.
Exactly. A lot of people get shocked by the $800-1,200 asking price for many purebred hunting dogs out there these days, which is certainly an increase in the price standard from yesteryear, I remember when the standard was around $400-500 for a retriever. Higher prices, at least in part, presumably are factoring in the costs of some of the newer health certs on both parents, some of which are not one time costs but are annual, like the CAER cert for example. Then you have folks who think they can go ahead and ask these same hiked up prices without offering the same value and certainty that health certs / genetic screening provides? And unfortunately there are enough people out there to fall for it.
I guess some on here are saying "let the buyers figure it out on their own," and all I'm doing is offering a suggestion of the right questions to ask, as well as some input on the pitfalls of oversized sporting dogs (e.g., look into the prognosis of hip dysplasia on a 55lb lab compared to a 100lb lab). Or, I suppose one case point would be the plain and simple fact that larger dogs are more susceptible to a wide range of health ailments, begging the simple question of "why breed them so large"? What is the cost-benefit analysis beyond some "wow" factor? Maybe one guy's 100lb labs have a rich pedigree filled with excellent OFA certs and proven health... maybe... but nobody here is showing that.
Agreed, that is puzzling to me as well. Except at least with layout blinds and such you can sell or return something you don't like. A dog is a best friend and family member.
Nonsense. A bird hunter can make a fine bird dog out of a mutt. But when bird hunters chose to go the pure bred route they're looking for consistency and to have the best shot at having their expectations fulfilled, but they're simultaneously opening themselves up to a higher risk of health problems as a result of the very nature of breeding pure bred animals.
Nobody's commenting on the OP's classified ad. We're having a discussion in the Waterfowl section of this forum.
I guess I'm thrown off by a bizzare lab breeding ad, and you're thrown off that I'm asking questions about it. I'm not sure whether there's much of a difference in either of us "not minding our own business" besides the fact that I'm at the very least trying to help people (whether you think it's helpful or not) and you're just blowing steam and lashing out.
If what he posted pushes them away they are snowflakes to begin with
You didn't start asking questions about the ad until after people called you out for your first comment. I think it was a jerk response, I think most people would agree and I think you know it too. You are just now trying flip it and act like you are saving some poor uninformed person from a terrible mistake. The ad clearly states comes with full registration. When you posted you truck for sale why didn't you post your VIN? Why not post the Carfax? Show all the receipts from your upgrades?
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There are some really great dogs that fall outside of the breed standard. Have you ever been to a field trial?
You seem like an expert at everything, I would like to watch your dog work sometime. Maybe you could offer some kind of clinc for members of this forum?
Would you be interested in measuring my dog? I would be very embarrassed if I find out he's the wrong size for hunting.
You weren't asking squat, your first comment was another snide post showing off what you believe is your superior hunting acumen at the expense of this OP, and I would of never butted in if I didn't see a gross display of excessive ego at his expense.
I have. There certainly are, except the departure in size goes down, not up. Departure from conformation otherwise is common, and the difference in not conforming to looks compared to not conforming weight/size is the fact that looks don't have implications on health. One of my lab's ears helicopters sometimes, doesn't stop his hunting abilities. One hunting retriever champ in my club is ugly as can be, didn't stop her from reaching the top and being a great retriever. I know a guy with a one-eyed setter that was tossed by a trialer and adopted by him, and the dog is unbelievable the field. I'm not bashing looks.
The topic here is a litter of massive labs being advertised without any health certs. My opinion on that doesn't come from training a hunting dog, it comes from speaking to veterinarians and reputable breeders, as well as common sense. The vet community is constantly seeing over sized dogs for orthopedic and organ problems. I also know people that own dogs with these kinds of health issues, and it's a heartache and financial burden for them.
I'm sorry I've offended so many people. I suppose the more appropriate place to comment on what I think is the appropriate size of a lab would be on a thread where people are actually asking about it, rather than somebody advertising a litter.
I guess the better approach to help out prospective buyers wouldn't be to bash, but maybe demonstrate examples of what full disclosure on health and hunting traits looks like, in normal sized labs, with pups offered around the same price:
My first comment was a jerk response. I'm not usually a jerk, so I regret the tone and saying it like that. Breedings like this bother me, cause me to react poorly, and I don't think I'm alone, but I will keep it to myself going forward.
The VIN on my old Ram is 1D7HU18298S610486, just because you asked. While I think trucks are different than dogs, I'm happy to disclose. Somebody on here asked for health certs for the litter and none were given.
Lol I am not looking to buy a truck. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the OP has long since fled this forum.
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Your not alone...if I asked my veterinarian if a 100lb plus lab was healthy he would probably assume I was joking. As someone who has had a dog with knee problems due to my ignorance as a teenager letting the weight get out of control. 15lbs overweight on a dog is like 35lbs on a man.
Maybe these heavy dogs hunt great but I'm not convinced they dont pay for it at some point later in life
What a grossly obnoxious turd
Big difference between overweight and a bigger dog. And being overweight says more about the owner than the dogs conformation.
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