Michigan doing their best to turn hunters off

Discussion in 'Michigan Whitetail Deer Hunting' started by bucknasty11208, Jul 18, 2020.

  1. riverbob

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    i believe it was 1 deer a year, it had to b a buck with a gun, or any deer with a bow, plus 1 doe if ya got a doe permit, plus a camp deer during gun season witch had to b buck, i don't believe u could get a camp deer for bow season, i got my first bow deer, after 7 seasons of bow hunting around 64, that was the same year i saw the strangest thing i ever saw in the woods,,, i saw another bow hunter
     
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    I don't believe so. The plan has been published for years. If you are not aware of it that's on you.
     
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    The DNR has one management plan. It is to collect as much money as they can but I think that they might have outsmarted themselves this year. Many hunters and landowners are not as dumb as the DNR thinks that they are.
     
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    The DNR's management plan is a matter of public record. Hopefully most sportsmen are engaged enough to take part.
     
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  5. bucknasty11208

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    Not what I’m saying at all. This farmer has had cows on his farm as far back as I remember. The BTB issue has been around for 20 years +/-. Why after all this time are they now deciding to take action? 15-20 years ago in the infancy of the BTB issue it was common to see 75-100 deer in one specific field on the guys property and the state did nothing. Now I may see 15-25 in an evening and they want to shoot em off??? Seems odd to me.


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  6. Newaygo1

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    There has NEVER Been a "Plan" and Idea maybe, If there was Why did they Open Up the Antlerless Permits when prior you could not get 1 at the time they had a 40 acre minimum then it drop to 5, or dropping the parcel Number even at the time the area DNR Biologist was opposed to it, The Plan Changes Consistently! Then They Allowed 5 Antlerless OTC then it went to 8 or 10 that is Not Managing as They Want them to be used in the South Part of Newaygo County where they had "Crop" Damage and yet they were used mainly in the North Half! So FINALLY after 10 years maybe 12 they "realized" That No One was using them where they wanted and few hunters were seeing any deer and then Split the County in to 2 and then offered the Antlerless mainly in the southern half Too Little TO LATE! They Had some telling Hunters Once we started taking Antlerless Deer we would see many more Bucks and Those Bucks when be "BIG" Bucks That Never Happened! First the bucks all disappeared, then the Does did and you were lucky to seea fawn in 15 days of Hunting, many Hunters moved out of Newaygo County as It was in the top 10, the DNR Talks like Newaygo was in the Top 10 still but it was "combined" half of Muskegon and another County so Sure the Numbers would increase but you combined 2.5 counties that is simple math as with 2.5 more as 1 DMU the Number will auto increase. They Have No "PLAN" As Ever Year the Antlerless Numbers or if you have to apply to OTC or ?, changes, so there is no "Plan" some might think there is. As every year the Antlerless quote Changes that is No Plan either. Here is yet Another Plan when CWD came in to play there was the Plan to include all adjacent Counties as part of the Zone yet when It hit Montcalm they only closed 17 Townships not even the whole County why if there was the "Plan" either you follow it or What? They did not so What Plan are some talking about? As soon as It hit Montcalm being Newaygo is Adjacent to part of Montcalm I Contact the Big Game Specialist and ask and was advised that Nope just these 17 Townships! So why have a "PLAN" if you aren't going to Follow said "Plan" Just so you can say we have a PLAN! Been Following the DNR for 25 years and their Management Strategy has always been to sell Deer Hunting Licenses look when the opened antlerless the they had a deal when a deer license was I think 15.00 they dropped the cost of an Antlerless to sway some to try and take an Antlerless,you could buy 1 a day till they sold 10K at the beginning it took almost 2 months, at the end took many 4 weeks and yet those were for private land but all you had to provide was phone number and that was when cell phones were becoming more Common. So to suggest they have a plan is a stretch as that so called Plan is always changing every year when they change a reg or 2 or 3 or? So there is No Real Plan just that they have an Idea maybe!!!!!!!!
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  7. Chessieman

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    THAT'S A GOOD ONE!!!!! Plan, yea right, fill out your survey we are really concerned. At the July NRC meeting there was no discussion about any of the deer proposals except for the UP. The only thing that was brought up was adding the Muzzle Loading to the state land in zone 3 for the late season. Then they blew it with there puppet talking that now includes shooting bucks on state land for the last 3 weeks of the year. Sure did put the screws to the winter bow hunting on state land.
     
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    I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with managing the herd in the bTB zone.
     
  9. bucknasty11208

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    I think the attempt to eradicate BTB from the deer herd is a waste of state time and money. Hunters have been doing the best job possible keeping it to a minimum which I feel is the best we can hope for. The DNR, NRC, MUCC, LMNOP, ABC,, 123....whomever is never going to totally eliminate the problem. It’s here. It’s always going to exist. Kinda like Covid-19. This country is waiting to get back to normal thinking it’s just going to run its course and disappear. Ain’t gonna happen. Just like BTB.


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  10. pgpn123

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    I'm sorry you hunt in a low success rate DMU.


    I just picked up 4 more farms. I don't hunt the same place more than once a year.
     
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    I think his low success rate in the UP is more by choice. I read his post from lfts every year. He sees a lot of deer but appears to be more choosy about what he shoots.

    My personal overall success rate is quite low as well. It’s not because I don’t have chances, not counting last year, but because I’m more picky about what I shoot. I choose to be like that for two reasons. 1, because I’m not interested in killing just anything. I’m looking only for a buck I’d consider putting on the wall. And 2, I’ve seen what is possible where we hunt when pressure is light and a buck is able to get a few years on him. But with that being said, I still love to see and watch deer regardless if it’s a doe, fawn, or buck.

    I like the challenge of hunting the big woods and I fully understand that deer numbers are going to be lower but non existent is a whole other ball game. I’ve hunted farms in Eaton county and loved every minute of it. Only killed two bucks there but again, that’s because that’s only what I was looking to kill. Seeing deer was never an issue.


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    I’m not, I average shooting a 3-1/2 year old or older buck every 4 out of five years since the mid 90s. It just takes me more time to do it than in other parts of the state. Just because there are low deer numbers doesn’t mean the bucks don’t have age. The UP has the best buck to doe ratio plus the oldest buck harvest age of any zone in the state. Only 14% yearlings were checked in.
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  14. jacksonmideerhunter

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    While I agree that the state is not doing a very good job on its part with the deer management, Im still going to hunt, still going to see deer, and still going to have fun doing it. Ive hunted several different areas in michigan over the years, including state land in areas that were supposed to have “no deer”, and while not everywhere is as good as Jackson private land, Ive never not been able to get on at least a few deer. All of you guys that are threatening to stop hunting Michigan and go elsewhere...go ahead, I will stay here and there will be more deer and less pressure.
     
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  15. pgpn123

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    Just breathing air 'up north' is hard to beat. Many memorable hunting trips. I always add some inches/appreciation to a buck from there.