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Medicare for All

Discussion in 'Political Discussions (FreeMichigan.com)' started by RonSwanson, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. RonSwanson

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  2. jps

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    One of the practices that has been sinking America's political debate and legislative actions have been the "right in principle, lacking practical details" type of statements/proposals.

    It's been happening from left and right. This is one example. The Wall another, etc, etc, etc.

    Then the debate, because of the lack of any practical detail, moves around the "right in principle" argument (which ends up being WRONG for those not sharing the same ideological principles) and it results in an endless, hiperpartisan, totally useless debate. Like the ones we continuously have in this forum.

    Name calling, political labeling and all that will replace a debate about the pro/con about the actual details of every proposal because there are no details at all.

    This is true not only for this idea, but for every idea/proposal coming from all sides that we debate here.
     
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  3. DecoySlayer

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    The greater problem is that original Medicare is grossly mismanaged, just about bankrupt, and there is a lot of fraud involved. It is too top heavy and the bureaucracy that controls it is way too large and does not focus on the goal of proper medical care. It's too much controlled by politics.
     
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    Yes, he is going to push the left even farther left. Go Bernie go!
     
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    I think this will be the focus of the democrat platform in the next presidential election.
     
  6. DecoySlayer

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    The REAL desired affect would be to bring down the cost of health care while maintaining the right of the individual to control that care, in conjunction with their chosen doctor, and/or health care professional, instead of a bureaucrat or insurance executive. ONLY the individual and those they seek help from should have a say in this matter.
     
  7. RonSwanson

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    Pushing the right further right increased voter turn out and enthusiasm which lead to the tea party take over of congress. Rarely are elections decided by policy and achievable ideas. They are mainly decided by who can whip up enough support from their supporters to get them to the polls.
     
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    Only because, one side, or the other, wants control at the expense of the individual.
     
  9. Ranger Ray

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    It's fwee! Vote for me! The lefts new battle cry.
     
  10. stevebrandle

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    Passage of plan D during the bush administration which prevents Medicare from negotiating with drug companies and health care providers for lower fees and costs almost insures that these costs will not come down and the unscrupulous will continue to cheat the government at every opportunity. Medicare is the nation's number one purchaser of prescription drugs and health care services, but is being forced to pay the going prices for these things. Big pharma and health care providers have huge lobbies in Washington that pay huge contributions to members of Congress to protect this cash cow. Allowing Medicare to negotiate prices would save taxpayers millions of dollars.
     
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    How was plan D justified? I'm stumped on this one. I mean, the driving force behind it is undoubtedly lobbyist and our sell out congressmen. But, i'm curious how this plan was justified or presented to the people for sensible passage? Perhaps it wasn't justified and it just gets written off as one of those things that remind us that the establishment needed a swift kick in the arse.
     
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    It was justified by big pharma paying bush and co. Like any other piece of legislation that helps huge corporations and the super rich and sinks the poor and the middle class.

    It's passage did not have to be justified to "the people", but to the people in Congress and in the Oval Office.
     
  13. jps

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    True that.
     
  14. RonSwanson

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    Actually the people who sponsored the legislation were very upfront with the fact that it will require an increase in taxes to cover the costs. Justification being that although you would pay more in taxes you would most likely be paying less than what you currently pay in premiums and out of pocket costs. The "free lunch" crowd are already covered by this and other programs. This proposal would allow those who already pay for medicare to "buy in" to the pool they are already supporting.
     
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    Even california decided to table single payer when they saw the costs. And Bernie isn't nearly as smart as a kumquat in california.
    And still the free riders in cali were angry they weren't getting free health insurance.
     
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